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  4. I think the "enclosed kitchen" thing comes from BS5389 from what i remember, so while it would probably be suitable it wouldn't strictly be compliant. We just finished a large open kitchen with adjoining "snug" room with a wood burner, after a discussion with the Aico rep we fitted a Heat/CO in the kitchen side and a Multisensor just past the mid point and a CO by the wood burner.
  5. Evans Electric

    EUD12NPN-UC from Eltako Electronics 

    I was guessing a1 & a2 were the remote switching pair ....and X was the light fittings . Never fitted one of these TBH.
  6. Geoff1946

    EUD12NPN-UC from Eltako Electronics 

    If it wasn't dead before it probably is now. Electronic switches don't generally like being involved in short circuits or overloads. I find your diagram hard to interpret. Are the two upper rails just for the switches? In your installation, are the upper terminals ONLY connected to the switches? An original stepping switch would probably have one side to supply.
  7. I have done my Lighting Circuits. I am pretty happy with them, but I may need someone just to check them if that is okay? I am now working on the Power for the Pool. I have two Circuits: Circuit 1: 32A 5 core 90 degrees SWA cable clipped direct. I should be okay with that. Sockets. Would you recommend a Ring or Radial, as I have the CCU in the Pump Room. I will upload the diagram, so you have an idea. https://ufile.io/bi8u6jco
  8. Evans Electric

    EUD12NPN-UC from Eltako Electronics 

    Sounds like a dead short . I presume your lights go in the X terminal ?
  9. I was installing the EUD12NPN-UC for a friend and like your opinion on the following. Before there was an Eltako impulse relay (Eltako S12-100-230V) for the corridor lights. Several light points and 3 impulse switches. My friend asked me to help him remove the impulse relay and replace it with a dimmer (EUD12NPN-UC from Eltako Electronics) and as soon as I put it in and truned the fuse, the fuse it blew all the trip switches (2) in all the circuits too. I wired it in as per diagram (see enclosed) and as soon as I flipped the fuse, it tripped both the trip switches. I did some checking and in the end found that if I only connect live and neutral (see diagram of the EUD12NPN-UC marked in red) to L and N on the EUD12NPN-UC the same thing happened. My assumption is this thing is dead on arrival, or there is a minuscule leakage but that should not be. Am I right? Any experience with these units? Any tricks? Thanks.
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  14. Schneider Electric, the leader in digital transformation of energy management and automation, has recently introduced EcoStruxure™ IT Advisor. Harnessing the power of the cloud, EcoStruxure IT Advisor delivers a simplified way to deploy data centre management that is accessible anywhere and at any-time. Leading the next phase of Schneider’s expansion of the EcoStruxure IT platform, IT Advisor focuses on making data centre management and operations more efficient. This cloud-based planning and modeling tool enables data centre operators of large data centres and colocation facilities to reduce operating expenses and maximise uptime by optimising capacity, analysing business impact, and automating workflows. “Hybrid data centre architectures are driving the industry to rethink the way their data centre infrastructure is managed and operated” said Kim Povlsen, Vice President and General Manager, Digital Services and Software, Schneider Electric. “EcoStruxure IT Advisor addresses this need by offering customers a powerful cloud-based or on-premise data centre planning and modelling software, accessible from anywhere, and delivered with a flexible subscription model.” EcoStruxure IT Advisor’s key features and benefits include: Asset management for accurate inventory: Data is shown within the physical layout for instant access to accurate device details and asset attributes. Risk planning for proactive incident management: The Impact Analysis report indicates how incidents may impact devices and infrastructure. Change management for all asset moves, adds and changes: Workflow automation ensures human error is reduced and best practices are deployed. For colocation providers, Schneider Electric EcoStruxure IT Advisor offers a floor view with areas, cages and racks, and IT assets, along with detailed floor and rack utilisation reports. EcoStruxure IT Advisor is available globally and expands the EcoStruxure IT platform, which includes EcoStruxure IT Expert, a secure, vendor agnostic, wherever-you-go monitoring software with visibility of all IoT-enabled physical infrastructure assets, and EcoStruxure Asset Advisor which provides 24x7 monitoring by the Schneider Electric global service bureau or through our Partner network. For more about Schneider Electric EcoStruxure IT Advisor, visit our web site. About EcoStruxure™ EcoStruxure is Schneider Electric’s open, interoperable, IoT-enabled system architecture and platform. EcoStruxure delivers enhanced value around safety, reliability, efficiency, sustainability, and connectivity for customers. EcoStruxure leverages advancements in IoT, mobility, sensing, cloud, analytics, and cybersecurity to deliver Innovation at Every Level. This includes Connected Products, Edge Control, and Apps, Analytics & Services. EcoStruxure has been deployed in 480,000+ sites, with the support of 20,000+ system integrators and developers, connecting over 1.6 million assets under management through 40+ digital services. Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric Brand: Schneider Electric Topic: Internet of Things Data & Networking Thumbnail image: Teaser: Schneider Electric simplifies DCIM deployment - create instances in the cloud or on-premise and gain insights immediately. It provides always up-to-date applications and cybersecurity with anywhere, at-any-time access, while subscription models remove upfront capex costs. Type: Manufacturer News Main image(s): Title: Schneider Electric EcoStruxure™: innovation at every level Copyright: Source: Schneider Electric Date of publication: 25/05/2019 Target group: Voltimum View the full article
  15. Schneider Electric, the leader in digital transformation of energy management and automation, has won the ‘Data Centre ICT Management Innovation of the Year’ category at the DCS Awards 2019. EcoStruxure™ IT Expert is the industry’s first cloud-based data centre infrastructure management (DCIM) solution, bringing secure, vendor agnostic, wherever-you-go monitoring with complete visibility of all IoT-enabled physical infrastructure assets. “Schneider Electric is delighted to have won an accolade that recognises the company for innovation within the data centre space.” said Marc Garner Vice President, Schneider Electric, Secure Power Division UK&I. “I’d like to thank the judges, the many data centre professionals and the customers that have voted for us. With the power of data analytics and the cloud, EcoStruxure IT Expert users benefit from the ability to make data-driven decisions and react to abnormal device behavior before it becomes an issue.” As part of Schneider Electric’s EcoStruxure platform, IT Expert delivers data-driven monitoring for infrastructure assets in real-time. The cloud-based software enables the user to increase resiliency, uptime and mitigate risk by delivering global visibility across the hybrid data centre environment from anywhere, at any time and on any device. Key benefits of EcoStruxure IT Expert include: Ease of deployment to reduce the complexity of registering, downloading and implementing the solution across distributed IT infrastructure Vendor neutral data capture of device information, smart alarms, and monitoring of all connected devices through an open system Benchmarking of devices to see how well assets are performing in comparison to others Assessments for centralised visibility and consolidated alarms notifications with recommendations to aid decision-making Subscription model provides a pay-as-you-go approach to deployment for predictable, flexible costs for any size IT or data centre environment 24/7 remote monitoring options through APC by Schneider Electric Channel partners with EcoStruxure IT for Partners or through the Schneider Electric Service Bureau with EcoStruxure Asset Advisor. About EcoStruxure™ EcoStruxure is Schneider Electric’s open, interoperable, IoT-enabled system architecture and platform. It delivers enhanced value around safety, reliability, efficiency, sustainability, and connectivity for customers. EcoStruxure leverages advancements in IoT, mobility, sensing, cloud, analytics, and cybersecurity to deliver innovation at every level. This includes connected products, edge control and apps, analytics, and services. EcoStruxure has been deployed in more than 480,000 sites, with the support of more than 20,000 system integrators and developers, connecting over 1.6 million assets under management through over 40 digital services. Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric, Schneider Electric Brand: Schneider Electric Topic: Internet of Things Data & Networking Thumbnail image: Teaser: EcoStruxure™ IT Expert is the Industry’s first cloud-based Data Centre Infrastructure Management (DCIM) solution. It provides intelligent benchmarking and visibility to increase data centre performance and resiliency optimisation, while mass configurations and firmware updates simplify system management. Type: Manufacturer News Main image(s): Title: Schneider Electric EcoStruxure IT Expert™ Copyright: Source: Schneider Electric Date of publication: 25/05/2019 Target group: Voltimum View the full article
  16. Murdoch

    Self closing rccd hager

    How many rcd's does your fuseboard have? What are the circuits that cause this problem?
  17. binky

    What do they expect?

    it is a genuine problem, social media has allowed every nutter that used to stand and shout at people on the street corner to directly harass MPs and anybody else in public office - I would not consider going into public office as oddly enough I don't like getting death threats every day, nor death threats against friends and family. So looking forward, what sort of people are going to even step forward for public office?
  18. Scratching my head on this one. Installed new self closing rccd today. When testing the device with test button it did its timing cycle and rearmed. This is where it gets complicated. When any of 2 particular mcbs are closed it will not re-arm.but ok with other mcbs closed. ( my theory) if there is a fault to earth why is it not tripping automatically after i can reset it manually? Ive done IR on both suspect circuits .and satisfactory.ive done Ze 1.13ohm which is also baffling because the earth rod has been disconnected ..im assuming there must be another one from.the fabric of the building. Anyone had similar experience on these devices. Colin
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  20. I'm with you Jono and logically it makes sense. But Murdoch has a point in as much as it is stated that they are not to be used in "enclosed" kitchens. It's only been recommended in my set up because the kitchen is open plan with the dining room. But based on how they work, why can't they be used in "enclosed" kitchens? On a different but related not, what do you (and others) think about rooms with woodburners? Again, they seem to make the most sense to my mind. But when I contacted Aico I was told it is best to use an optical...
  21. And it wont go off at all unless you absolutely cremate it, they are practically immune to cooking fumes. Perhaps you should consider the freely available Aico Expert Installer CPD training. Or at the very least google the capabilities of the alarms before commenting.
  22. Thanks so much. I am just getting used to BS7671.
  23. If you look at appendix 3 of BS7671 the tables beside the graphs give the Ia, minimum disconnection current to use. For a 6A type B it is 30A as given on page 370.
  24. If they are suitable for kitchens, then Aico information would state that...... which they don’t and that’s my point. maybe I will buy one next week and put it in my kitchen then burn some toast ...
  25. You really have zero idea how Aico Multisensor alarms work do you.
  26. I am just working through the calculations and I am unsure on the last point: Earth Fault Loop Impedance: In BS7671 the calculation is Zs =UoxCmin divided by Ia = Amps Would the Ia be the Design Current? Uo=230V Cmin=0.95 Zs As I have given that a go and got 72.35A But the Zs for 6A 60898 is 7.28 ohms
  27. Evans Electric

    Did we ever arrive at an answer on this one ?

    I would have expected no less my learned friend . These ideas are taken in by people in the trade, perhaps from other sparks , and they become real . A spark I worked with had one about running threads on conduit . We were at the start of a new build school , made up some conduit with giant double sets in it so put a runner on the end ........the guy comes out with .. " You can't do another runner now on this job " Its a 6 month job and you can't have another runner on it ...wheres he get this from ? There used to be a thing , perhaps a hospital spec that stated that ONE section of a conduit run should use only one runner ..... but he had it in his head it was one per job . Like the Runner Police will go round checking .( Perhaps its where the Bow Street Runners came from ) My mate , because of the firm he worked for for many years , maintained you couldn't fit a pendant in a kitchen ( new housing ) must be a batten holder . Firm I started with used inspection elbows , bends & tees . I moved on halfway through apprenticeship and never saw the things again .
  28. kerching

    Did we ever arrive at an answer on this one ?

    Nope I was there Glasgow Council,clerk of works I told him he was an ill informed ill educated
  29. But it won't sound unless the temperature has reached a certain level. And if the toast/bacon is burnt sufficiently to raise the room temperature by X degrees then it's probably for the best that the alarm does go off!!! Although with that in mind, I can't see why they say not to use one in a sole kitchen (4 walls).
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