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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

SBS TRADE SALES -  Homepage

 

ATTACHED IS MY LATEST PRICE LIST

 

Also, for the latest postings, go to the last page of this topic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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M107    873
M107

There are some pictures of installs using your compact RCBO's already on the forum, Those that  are mine please feel free to use them here David.

 

And well done on the trade only stance :Applaud  :Salute .

It is a decision my local supplier has just taken also "Diy'ers take too long deciding, then want to know how to fit the stuff. Not what you need with regulars waiting to be served"

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ProDave    1,742
ProDave

I like the concept of the dual busbar compact rcbo boards.

 

Care to post some example prices for say a 10 way board with those?

 

This thread needs to be made a sticky if you have no website to refer to, otherwise it will fall off the bottom of the forum if not regularly bumped.

 

EDIT.

 

Note to self, look at ALL the attachments before posting :coat

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batty    520
batty

I love them as said no flying leads so you can get a neat consumer unit especially as they are the same size as an MCB. I meant to take some pics of the ones I just fitted on a job. It was a bad day though think I finished at about 9 PM. I did take a few external pics will have to post them.

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Canoeboy    3,142
Canoeboy

Stickied



I love them as said no flying leads so you can get a neat consumer unit especially as they are the same size as an MCB. I meant to take some pics of the ones I just fitted on a job. It was a bad day though think I finished at about 9 PM. I did take a few external pics will have to post them.

 

I must admit those single pole rcbos twice the height with the flying lead look a pigs ear in a normal height consumer unit (and i dont do em!)

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batty    520
batty

I generally use RCBO's these days as most of my stuff is domestic. I have been using MK with TD line RCBO's as you can do a CU change for a reasonable price. Trouble is you have all the blue neutral leads to loose and the earth leads also. Standard consumer units were never designed for standard RCBO's. 

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SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH    1,015
SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH

I dont get the multi split idea. An RCBO feeds a MCB. That means the overload on the RCBO is being shared by the MCB & any cable connected directly in ? 

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Onoff    795
Onoff

I dont get the multi split idea. An RCBO feeds a MCB. That means the overload on the RCBO is being shared by the MCB & any cable connected directly in ? 

Surely it's no different to an "ordinary" split load board, just more "split"...........I assume the RCBO amperage is selected to cope with it's own circuit plus the MCB circuits?

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SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH    1,015
SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH

But an rcbo has overload protection. A 'normal' split board its an rcd only

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Onoff    795
Onoff

But an rcbo has overload protection. A 'normal' split board its an rcd only

I understand that. But on the assumption that the overload element of the rcbo is greater than that of any of the MCBs it feeds there should be no discrimination issues etc so doesn't the RCBO in effect act as a "cheap" RCD for those MCB circuits and the overload bit become redundant EXCEPT for it's own circuit?.

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SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH    1,015
SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH

I still cant see the point. You are using 2 ways and the cost of a breaker and rcbo + will it meet  the manufacturers guidance having all those cable links in the board. Just fit rcbo's for each circuit.

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NozSpark    1,007
NozSpark

I don't get the "Comparable with...." bit seeing as everything should be type tested :o

Although I do like the look of the mini 2 pole and will look into them when the need arises

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

I will respond to each point in turn later today.

Below are 3 photos of a MultiSplit Board, for those jobs where the customer WON'T PAY FOR A FULL-RCBO Board.

This represents about 2% of my business.

 

 

 

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

Now you've seen the photos and for those who get it, you will be saying what a cheaper way to meet 17th Edition, minimise nuisance trip and fit in a space no bigger than an existing Wylex 3036 unit. A 10-circuit installation would have 5 zones, with no more than 2 circuits going off at any one time. The unit shown is £46.00 + VAT plus 3 of your own MCBs ( which you will have in buckets full). Of course if the customer will pay for a Full-RCBO board, then that's the best option.

Slipshod - you do get it,because you describe the function of  overload, fault and shock protection to each sub-circuit. The extra cable links you mention are far less than the spaghetti junction links in a "Split Board".

OnOff -  You are right, because more splits means less nuisance trip, which presumably is a good idea. Also the "overload bit" becomes a current limiter for the sub-circuit, a feature not offered by a 17thEdition Board.

NozSpark - Please elaborate on your comments, which presumably refer to BSEN60439.

 

SBS Dave

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

Thanks to the guys who have used my stuff and rated it highly.  There is no question that the Compact RCBO approach is a major step forward.

But of course, you won't know until you try a Compact Board on your next suitable job.

ProDave - thanks for the advice on the "sticky". Perhaps you could instruct me on how to do it.

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SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH    1,015
SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH

Hi Dave. Maybe i used the wrong words.I do get it but cant see the point. I am not putting down your product, it seems very good & will try it next time this item is needed. However i cant see myself ever fitting the multisplit board as if money is that tight i would just fit a £50 MK duel Rcd board from Screwups.

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M107    873
M107

Dave I believe Canoeboy has already made the post a sticky or you.

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

Thanks M107/Canoeboy for getting me stuck!!

Slipshod - I value your opinion and I know you weren't criticising.

All I am saying is that, if you are fitting a 10-way board, the best option is a Full-RCBO board, next best is a MultiSplit, next a 17th Edition Split Board and last an RCD as a Main Switch, looked at as minimising nuisance trip.

If the job is a 6-circuit one and both money and SPACE is a consideration, then the MultiSplit may be a better fit at a slightly cheaper price. All my customers, of course, fit Full-RCBO boards where possible, that's why MultiSplit is only 2% of sales.

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

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Hi Guys (and Girls?),

If you have looked at my Price List, you will see a range of IP65 enclosures listed. I am in the process of introducing them into the UK, initially the ENC-9S, ENC-12S and ENC-18S. It is not a perfect range, but it does lend itself more to the Standard tall RCBOs, with the neutral and earth leads at the bottom. The neutral / earth bar can be fitted at the top or the bottom and the Main Switch can be L/H or R/H.

Rather than me listing their Features and Benefits, I have attached photos, so that hopefully I will get some constructive feedback. Customers who have seen the samples, like them, especially for the Standard RCBOs and of course for my most popular product the Compact RCBO.

SBS Dave

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SBS Dave    276
SBS Dave

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Hi, me again.

Found this photo of one of my customer's jobs, where he converted a non-RCD MEM board to a fully Compact RCBO one.

I would normally recommend the Main Switch be changed to mine, but he kept the original, which meant he used the existing tails and used the existing Main Switch for isolation of all circuit RCBOs, which means no pulling of the Main Fuse.

 

Reduction of the length of the neutrals and routing them to the RCBOs, made the whole board less cluttered and neater.

 

Worth considering if the existing enclosure is in good condition.

 

SBS Dave

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steptoe    2,089
steptoe

Dave,

do you do metal clad enclosures?

I have a metal clad MEM to replace, so if not, then its good to know someone has already retro fitted your RCBOs into one.

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Sidewinder    1,959
Sidewinder

David,

Can you please confirm the width on your 24s enclosure, it is in your data as 285 wide, I suspect it is 485 wide?

Thanks.

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SBS Dave    276
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Hi Steptoe,

No, I don't normally do metal clad. I used to stock a few MK ones, but I stopped doing them, due to lack of demand. I have 2 x 8-module MK metalclads in stock.

What I was illustrating was that you can leave an enclosure of any make in place, if it is in good condition and just replace the guts.

 

Hi Sidewinder,

I haven't decided on the ENC-24S yet, because it is a double decker, consisting of 2 x 12-module DIN rails. The dimensions are correct and you will see that is 340mm high, rather than the 215mm or 235mm boards.The sample was damaged in shipping and I am awaiting a replacement. There are 2 x neutral/earth bars, one at the top and on at the bottom, with no facility to mount it half way, between the 2 DIN rails. If you or anybody is interested, let me know and I will post a photo of it.

 

They are all IP65 and the simple back box can be drilled, cut and slotted on all 4 sides and with knockouts on all sides for SWA and conduit fixings. If you think that the earth bar at the bottom would sometimes be an inconvenience, I am working on a split earth bar, with part of it at the top left or top right corner of the box. The attached photo is a prototype and I would welcome opinions on this feature.

 

SBS Dave

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Sidewinder    1,959
Sidewinder

OK Dave, if I go that way it may be for the 18 way then, I'll check the sizes as soon as I can.

I "need" to change 2 boards out before the end of this month, but, I'm not sure if I can stretch to the cash flow so I may have to put the client off until next month due to a very BIG client paying me £7k5 short!!!

P1553d off or what!

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steptoe    2,089
steptoe

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Hi Steptoe,

No, I don't normally do metal clad. I used to stock a few MK ones, but I stopped doing them, due to lack of demand. I have 2 x 8-module MK metalclads in stock.

What I was illustrating was that you can leave an enclosure of any make in place, if it is in good condition and just replace the guts.

 

Hi Sidewinder,

I haven't decided on the ENC-24S yet, because it is a double decker, consisting of 2 x 12-module DIN rails. The dimensions are correct and you will see that is 340mm high, rather than the 215mm or 235mm boards.The sample was damaged in shipping and I am awaiting a replacement. There are 2 x neutral/earth bars, one at the top and on at the bottom, with no facility to mount it half way, between the 2 DIN rails. If you or anybody is interested, let me know and I will post a photo of it.

 

They are all IP65 and the simple back box can be drilled, cut and slotted on all 4 sides and with knockouts on all sides for SWA and conduit fixings. If you think that the earth bar at the bottom would sometimes be an inconvenience, I am working on a split earth bar, with part of it at the top left or top right corner of the box. The attached photo is a prototype and I would welcome opinions on this feature.

 

SBS Dave

 

that would be 6ways & 1 main switch,

I'll e.mail you regarding this.

I dont normally go for MK, but it is after all only a box.  :)

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