Just looking at my old Guide to the 15 edition pocket book and noting how much detail there and useful information is compared to the latest "Site Guide" . Heres a random page.
Comparing the old with the new
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Doesn't that just sum up how illiterate we have become over the years?
There was a time that we would read to learn now it's all just spoon fed via computer, soon we'll be being told when to take a pee by computers.
With todays ideology it is if they are trying to make it a one glove fits all approach.
There was a time that we would read to learn now it's all just spoon fed via computer, soon we'll be being told when to take a pee by computers.
With todays ideology it is if they are trying to make it a one glove fits all approach.
due to litigation, the amount of useful advice being given has been slimmed down enormously, just in case......
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Look how they've dumbed down the Part P document from it's first issue. About half the size now I think.
Only slimed down for the English ............. the previous version still applies to the Welsh
Which is ludicrous !!! Sparks operating from either side of the Wales / England border would be criss crossing all the time to work ......... so what version of Part Pee do we work to today ? Is it English Part Pee or LlanTaffylookyoutherestidyisn'titpart Ppee ?
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Quite .............. who are the lunatics making these somewhat dubious decisions.
I've never understood why kitchens were removed from the english version of Part P - I see more dangerous installs in kitchens than in bathrooms!
it worked well for me, my notifications went from 1-3 per week to 0
It could have been simple . But this is Britain .
A Gas Safe system should have been adopted . All independent sparks and contracting companies to register with "Electric Safe" . It could be administered by , say , NIC , NaPPitt , ECA , Stroma BUT the whole point is ....like the gas fitters , you are registered as "Electric Safe" . It covers the whole of Britain, it doesn't vary and everyone has heard of it . ( And ProDave would have to sign up :innocent )
There are no "part members " like kitchen & bathroom fitters who suddenly become electricians overnight . They would be full scope "Electric Safe " (Domestic) and if they're not they use an "Electric Safe" sparks in the same way as they'd use a Gas Safe fitter.
Any work not carried out by an "Electric Safe" sparks is not covered by any insurance and is not acceptable by LBC .
Anyone not registered who does electrical work would be executed.
With everyone having to join , the cost would reduce to about £100 /year .
A Gas Safe system should have been adopted . All independent sparks and contracting companies to register with "Electric Safe" . It could be administered by , say , NIC , NaPPitt , ECA , Stroma BUT the whole point is ....like the gas fitters , you are registered as "Electric Safe" . It covers the whole of Britain, it doesn't vary and everyone has heard of it . ( And ProDave would have to sign up :innocent )
There are no "part members " like kitchen & bathroom fitters who suddenly become electricians overnight . They would be full scope "Electric Safe " (Domestic) and if they're not they use an "Electric Safe" sparks in the same way as they'd use a Gas Safe fitter.
Any work not carried out by an "Electric Safe" sparks is not covered by any insurance and is not acceptable by LBC .
Anyone not registered who does electrical work would be executed.
With everyone having to join , the cost would reduce to about £100 /year .
but thats too simple, having one scheme that covers the individual doing the work and not some random person at a company who is signing off work of employees that in some cases, they have never met
Do we not have to notify kitchen work then Andy ?
Must sound stupid but I can't be bothered to keep up with all the carp to be honest . Just add an amount to each job to cover Part Pee overheads & notify everything involving any new wiring .
It crossed my mind the other day about that "Provide a warranty stuff " I've been Peeing for 12 yrs , never did anything about warranties TBH . I'm not the Man from The Pru. FFS
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I know but it would be no different to the company being an NICEIC member but the ten sparks employed are not...but their work would be covered by the supervising system at the firm .
And anything like one firm I worked for ....supervisor never left the office .
This is something I’m well and truly confused about. One of the forum sponsors is SparkSafe who offer a “License to Practice”. Who underwrites / authorises this scheme? Is it just another scam out to make a quick buck? Their web site doesn’t give much information .
I’ve always been an advocate of licensing electricians in whatever branch of the trade. The industrial lads won’t like it but if it gets rid of the charlatans in the trade, who cares?
The present system of “competent persons” schemes has debased our trade.
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Well it's a new year with the same old arguments, guess there's no DCLG employees reading this site then!!
