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SPECIAL LOCATION
2 hours ago, phil d said:

You know what I mean, if you come across some dodgy work and don't bring it to the attention of someone, then surely that makes you no better than the cowboy who carried it out. Plus, it has the potential to make you look bad later, spark 1 comes in to do a job and makes a mess of it, spark 2 comes in to do some other work, see's what spark 1 has done, but says nothing, spark 3 comes in, see's the shoddy work done by number 1, and mentions it to the client. Client then wonders why spark 2 didn't mention anything being wrong, and then starts to wonder if spark 2 was actually any good. At the end of the day, I don't make a habit of slagging other people off, but if they do carp work then they deserve it.

 

Another very unrealistic hypothetical example....

 

Reality is that 99.99999999999% of the time we have absolutely no idea or proof about who did or didn't do some previous work at an installation....

UNLESS the customer volunteers that information and is willing to offer proof that the alleged poor work was done by the said cowboy...

 

We are responsible for ANY work we do, NOT the whole installation.. (Unless it happens to be a full rewire or new-build)..

 

So all aspects of an installation that relate directly to any additions or alterations we do WILL be correct and in compliance with current regs...

 

If we do happen to notice some areas of concern, on other parts of an installation not directly related to the areas you have been working on,

then you would just bring this to the attention of an authorised person at the installation (preferably in writing), and leave them to decide if they wish to take further action...

 

As basically it is NOT my responsibility if a customer is happy keeping some dodgy wiring done by someone else..

My electrical certificate will state clearly the work I have done and the test results confirming that my part of the installation is all installed and tested and fully compliant with current regs.

 

Absolutely no point trying to bring to justice someone for doing some work you cannot prove without the backing and help of the customer who originally ordered the work.

 

Guinness

 

 

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16 hours ago, SPECIAL LOCATION said:

 

Another very unrealistic hypothetical example....

 

Reality is that 99.99999999999% of the time we have absolutely no idea or proof about who did or didn't do some previous work at an installation....

UNLESS the customer volunteers that information and is willing to offer proof that the alleged poor work was done by the said cowboy...

 

We are responsible for ANY work we do, NOT the whole installation.. (Unless it happens to be a full rewire or new-build)..

 

So all aspects of an installation that relate directly to any additions or alterations we do WILL be correct and in compliance with current regs...

 

If we do happen to notice some areas of concern, on other parts of an installation not directly related to the areas you have been working on,

then you would just bring this to the attention of an authorised person at the installation (preferably in writing), and leave them to decide if they wish to take further action...

 

As basically it is NOT my responsibility if a customer is happy keeping some dodgy wiring done by someone else..

My electrical certificate will state clearly the work I have done and the test results confirming that my part of the installation is all installed and tested and fully compliant with current regs.

 

Absolutely no point trying to bring to justice someone for doing some work you cannot prove without the backing and help of the customer who originally ordered the work.

 

Guinness

 

 

I agree with what you are saying, but, quite recently  I had done a couple of small jobs for a friend, he rang up a couple of weeks later and asked if I could help his parents out, they were having a new kitchen fitted and the spark they normally used was busy, would I help?

I went over and to be honest it was nothing major, move a couple of sockets, add 2 new ones, change a light fitting, as I removed a socket I noticed 3 sets of cables in the box, nothing unusual there, but, as I chased the cable back up the wall I found a joint, made with terminal block, wrapped in plastic and plastered in! The homeowner told me that they'd had some sockets added 2 years ago by this other electrician, and these were they, also at the same time they'd had a consumer unit replaced because the old one wasn't safe!

It turned out he'd not only bodged the joint in the wall, but had 3 twin sockets off one spur, had joined the 6mm cooker cable, again in the wall, and again with terminal blocks!

Then the guy asked if I would relocate his bathroom lightswitch while I was there, he'd been meaning to get around to it ever since the other electrician had told him that having a pullswitch in a bathroom was illegal!

I then asked about the consumer unit, why had it been replaced, and what was there previously, ( I had a good idea, knowing the age of the property) the customer replied that it had been one of those "brown things made of wood and plastic with fuses in, (Wylex) again the other electrician had said this was illegal,not only that, but it provided absolutely no protection against electric shock!

In it's place, for a fee of several hundred pounds, he'd fitted a nice new plastic Hager board, comprising of one main isolator, 6 mcb's and no rcd's whatsoever!

The customer wasn't very happy with this as you'd expect, suffice to say that sometime in the new year, I'll be fitting a proper consumer unit, with rcd protection, have a happy customer who not only trusts me, but is more than happy to recommend me to their friends.

I don't have anything against anybody making a living, but to charge top rate and then do bodged work, is not on. 

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