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Evans Electric

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Evans Electric

Back to phone settings  ,  do I need these switched on or off  ?    

Wi-fi ?

Location ? 

Roaming  ? 

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Geoff1946
7 hours ago, Evans Electric said:

Back to phone settings  ,  do I need these switched on or off  ?    

Wi-fi ?   Gives you free data (internet) access when in a wifi zone, shop, café, pub, etc  Some you have to enter a password, some just work.

Location ?    Can be useful to help find local facilities, maps, etc, as long as you don't mind the idea that you can be tracked.

Roaming  ?   Not sure, but I think it lets if find available signals as you move around.

 

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Geoff1946

Just remembered about "roaming". With it on the phone will normally lock onto any available signal. Within the EU, (this week anyway!), that is free of charge.

If however you go out of EU you will be charged as soon as it connects.  We holiday in Cyprus, and have to remember to switch off roaming if near the Turkish (northern zone) border or start being charged for unwanted connections.

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Murdoch

^^ this used to be a problem for people in Kent ........ a better signal from France and hey presto their bills got rather expensive

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Sharpend

WiFi on when at home or within range of a WiFi you have the passcode for. 

 

Location on if you are using a map app on phone otherwise off. 

 

Roaming I leave off 

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Evans Electric

Thanks , I'll switch off roaming in the Gloamin  & Location  .  

OK  Silly question to you guys ...why do I need Wi-Fi on  at home or anywhere else for that matter ?     

 

I noticed  the phone has identified about 20 Wi-Fi  connections by my house , including my own  BT hub  , but didn't ask for the Wi-Fi code  .    

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Murdoch
53 minutes ago, Evans Electric said:

Thanks , I'll switch off roaming in the Gloamin  & Location  .  

OK  Silly question to you guys ...why do I need Wi-Fi on  at home or anywhere else for that matter ?     

 

I noticed  the phone has identified about 20 Wi-Fi  connections by my house , including my own  BT hub  , but didn't ask for the Wi-Fi code  .    

 

That really depends on your usage and your contract ............. so if you view video on your phone and you have a low data allocation on your contract you will run up additional charges .......

 

There are also times when you may want to use the internet and don't have a good enough mobile signal but you may have access to an "open" wifi system ............. I would say you should connect to your home wifi and if its BT then you would have access to all the open BT systems on peoples homes ...........

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Evans Electric

You 've raised another question now Murdo ......my BT  hub is , I thought ,  secure ...so how has this phone hacked into it ?  The hub can't know this is my phone .  

 

I'd guess there is NO allowance for data  .    Its possible I may want to Google  for some information  once in a while but  really  I just wanted  a telephone ,    a bigger screen , and a querty  keyboard for the occasional text  .   

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Andy™
5 minutes ago, Evans Electric said:

 and a querty  keyboard for the occasional text  .   

 

all you had to do was press a few letters in a row on the screen...

 

as for the wifi, you should have had to type its code in first time you used it, although if youve chnaged phones and transfered data from old to new, then it may have also copied wifi info

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NozSpark

Just because it sees your WiFi doesn't mean that it's connected to your WiFi.......

 

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Andy™
10 minutes ago, NozSpark said:

Just because it sees your WiFi doesn't mean that it's connected to your WiFi.......

 

 

:slap

 

never though of that. his phone may not even be connected to it, just looking to see whats available

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Evans Electric
17 minutes ago, NozSpark said:

Just because it sees your WiFi doesn't mean that it's connected to your WiFi.......

 

A good point  , all I know is theres a switch for Wi-Fi   ,  this is where I stumble with these things  ,  it doesn't  ask for the code  which I know is on that card on the back of the hub .   

I'll  delve into it again .   

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Evans Electric
52 minutes ago, Andy™ said:

as for the wifi, you should have had to type its code in first time you used it, although if youve chnaged phones and transfered data from old to new, then it may have also copied wifi info

There was no data on the old button phone as far as I know .    

 

All this stuff passes you by if you don't keep up with it ... as with this Forum if you like ...when I joined I didn't realise everyone used a nickname  ( Almost )  so Evans ELectric is my trading name  ....should have gone with  Brummy Deke or something .   

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M107

Careful using "Free WiFi"..............we ran a training day at work on Cyber security basically what the attendees thought was a 2 hour power point session that was boring from the first few minutes, this was done on purpose as we also set up an  evil twin "Free open guest wifi" in the room nextdoor to the training room.

Using a wifi pinapple we ran a man in the middle attack on users approximately 10 minutes into the session.

 

after half an hour the power point was ceased & we gave the real lesson  using some of the captured data & messages that had been intercepted & changed..........needless to say people think twice about using hotel or Mcdonalds & coffee shop free wifi.

Amazing how many people have their wifi connections on phones set to remember....our PEN test girly managed to pick loads up.

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Doc Hudson
3 hours ago, Evans Electric said:

A good point  , all I know is theres a switch for Wi-Fi   ,  this is where I stumble with these things  ,  it doesn't  ask for the code  which I know is on that card on the back of the hub .   

I'll  delve into it again .   

 

When you go into the wi-fi settings generally a phone will show all of the possible connections that are in its vicinity. Typically with a small signal strength bar next to each one and possibly a small padlock symbol to indicate that a connection is secure requiring a password. If it has connected to one of the available connections there is often a small tick symbol to indicate which wi-fi network it has connected onto. If no connection has been established so far, you would normally select one from the list then it will either prompt for the passwords, or just connect if it is an open network. 

 

Doc H.

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Andy™
9 hours ago, M107 said:

Careful using "Free WiFi"..............we ran a training day at work on Cyber security basically what the attendees thought was a 2 hour power point session that was boring from the first few minutes, this was done on purpose as we also set up an  evil twin "Free open guest wifi" in the room nextdoor to the training room.

Using a wifi pinapple we ran a man in the middle attack on users approximately 10 minutes into the session.

 

after half an hour the power point was ceased & we gave the real lesson  using some of the captured data & messages that had been intercepted & changed..........needless to say people think twice about using hotel or Mcdonalds & coffee shop free wifi.

Amazing how many people have their wifi connections on phones set to remember....our PEN test girly managed to pick loads up.

 

should always use a VPN on free wifi

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Evans Electric

And a VPN  is  ??  :C   

15 hours ago, Doc Hudson said:

f no connection has been established so far, you would normally select one from the list then it will either prompt for the passwords, or just connect if it is an open network. 

Thanks Doc . 

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Andy™

virtual private network

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Phoenix

Think of a VPN is a tunnel, or a conduit if you prefer, everything you do is piped to its exit point, which can be something you have set up, or there are plenty of providers on the internet. Everything travelling through it is encrypted (scrambled), so even if its running through a dodgy wifi that M107's mate has set up, they can't get your private information, all they can see is the VPN tunnel running through it.

 

They have a few different uses, privacy, pretending you are in another counrty (some content might be available in certain countries only), but the biggest is probably teleworking, folk can work from home, and be tunnelled through the internet to the corporate network in the office and assessing everything as if they were at work, files, printers, etc

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Phoenix

Deke, we aware that if you don't have data included on your plan, it could bite you!. These phones 'use' data even when you arn't doing anything, they search for security updates, and I'm sure a lot of stuff likes to phone home!

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SPECIAL LOCATION

Can't see how anyone working for themselves nowadays could survive without a smartphone and a half decent data allowance????

 

 

Well..  I couldn't!?

 

:C

 

 

 

 

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phil d

A good thing about WiFi is that it can, as others have said save you going over on your data allowance, some systems work in a rather good way too. At the farm we use BT broadband, now once you log into this it 'knows' you are an authorised user and remembers this, so if you go somewhere and there's a BT WiFi, it automatically connects you to it. apparently BT users get free access to WiFi hotspots when out and about.

I like my location access turned on, it helps if I forget where I've been sometimes, especially if I'm on the way back from somewhere and call in somewhere else for a quick 10 minute job, if anybody that you need to worry about wants to track you they can do it without you having location access turned on, the only other risk is if your wife gets hold of the phone and finds out that the night you said you worked late you actually spent a couple of hours in your local, lol.

Roaming I always turn off, Bluetooth I have set to 'known contacts only'.

I remember a few years back stuck in traffic on a motorway, it was like a giant car park, nothing moving, one of the lads decided to amuse himself and sent a risqué picture to 'all available bluetooths', it was hilarious looking at the faces of some of the people in nearby cars when they got the picture. nowadays a lot of firms use this for advertising, there's a few taxi firms in town and if you drive or walk past them you get messages via Bluetooth, 'need a taxi call us, A&B Taxi's' then as you pass the next one you get another message and so on. 

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Richard-the-ninth
On 14/04/2019 at 19:01, phil d said:

 apparently BT users get free access to WiFi hotspots when out and about.. 

 

We do. But it also means if a BT user is outside my place, they get to use my wi-fi BUT it does not use my allowance.

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phil d
35 minutes ago, Richard-the-ninth said:

 

We do. But it also means if a BT user is outside my place, they get to use my wi-fi BUT it does not use my allowance.

Yes I was aware of that, neither does it affect your download speed, contrary to popular belief, I think it's a great idea.

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Andy™
3 minutes ago, phil d said:

Yes I was aware of that, neither does it affect your download speed, contrary to popular belief, I think it's a great idea.

if will affect your speed. if the internet connection is ony capable to 20mbps and they use 10, then you will be limited to 10. . you cant just magic some faster internet because someone else is using it. id expect its pobably set to give you priority though

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