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Pieman544

Can’t work our where switch lines go!

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Pieman544

So I’m a industrial sparks having a go at domestic (help!!!)

 

I’ve ran all cables back to one point in the loft.


From the point in the loft I have the following cables...

 

All 1.5mm t+e

1 Feed in from bathroom pull cord (1st point after consumer unit)

1 cable to Hallway switch

1 cable to 1st bedroom switch

1 cable to 2nd bedroom switch

1 cable to Hallway pendent

1 cable to 3rd bedroom switch (cable from switch to pendant)

1 cable to 1st bedroom pendant
1 cable to 2nd bedroom pendant


At the moment I have all neutrals together, al switch lines together and all lives together. I know it’s wrong but need some guidance.

I can’t work out how to connect them up! someone please help! (See picture)
 

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Geoff1946

May I suggest you sit down with a sheet of paper, (or several), and sketch out what you are doing.

Presumably you are using a large junction box, so its just a case of matching switch returns to lamp feeds.

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Sharpend

Start at the beginning, get a piece of paper and draw out what you want to happen then draw the path of the live, I suspect you want each light to switch separately rather than one switch switches all lights? 

Darn you beat me to if Geoff! Split seconds

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Pieman544

Thanks chaps I appreciate the advice, I’ve sat down a few times and can’t get my head around it!

 

I don’t know how to post pics on here but let me work it out and I’ll send a pic of what I’ve got.
 

Wish I just 3 plated the whole way round!

 

thanks again

Just now, Sharpend said:

Start at the beginning, get a piece of paper and draw out what you want to happen then draw the path of the live, I suspect you want each light to switch separately rather than one switch switches all lights? 

Darn you beat me to if Geoff! Split seconds

Yes mate I do and this is where the problem lies as I have all my switch lines together so when I switch one, it switches the others. 
 

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Evans Electric

You should have 3 plated to be honest , but not to worry . 

You need to have 10 posts in before you can post a photo   .  ( Its a spam thing )  

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Sharpend

I once had to do an inspection report on an install that an industrial spark had done, boy what an interesting install that was!! 
 

you have a perm live (circuit live) these feed down to switch. 
the return from switch then goes to light that it serves. 

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Just now, Sharpend said:

I once had to do an inspection report on an install that an industrial spark had done, boy what an interesting install that was!! 
 

you have a perm live (circuit live) these feed down to switch. 
the return from switch then goes to light that it serves. 

Still hard to grasp.. sorry mate I think I need a diagram! 😭😭

Just now, Evans Electric said:

You should have 3 plated to be honest , but not to worry . 

You need to have 10 posts in before you can post a photo   .  ( Its a spam thing )  

Cheers bud

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Evans Electric

Stand by for example  drawing  ,  two bedrooms shown & omitted earth wires  for clarity . 

Thats for the one way switching . 

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Pieman544

Am I right in saying it is possible to work the way I’ve wired? 

Just now, Evans Electric said:

Stand by for example  drawing  ,  two bedrooms shown & omitted earth wires  for clarity . 

Thats for the one way switching . 

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Thank you so much mate really appreciate it

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Evans Electric

Don't think so ,   remember that those Wago terminals are all linked together 

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Just now, Evans Electric said:

Don't think so ,   remember that those Wago terminals are all linked together 

 

Just now, Evans Electric said:

Don't think so ,   remember that those Wago terminals are all linked together 

Excuse me what I mean is, is it possible for all lights to be switched independently with this method of wiring. You hit the nail on the head that’s why all lights are on when I switch one switch!

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Geoff1946

Dismantle that bottom right hand wago block.  Its wrong.  Now connect the wire from the hall switch ONLY to the hall light, in a two way block.  Same again for each other light. Should be OK then.

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Evans Electric

You need to separate the S/Wires  to each room .

All the  lives together  so you have a L  to each switch .

All the neuts together.

 

The S/Wire comes back as blue  from switch and connects with the Brown to the appropriate light .  Just two wires in that one . 

 

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Pieman544

Hallelujah I have seen the light! Thank you very much kind sir, I owe you a beer if you’re ever in London 🍻 

Just now, Geoff1946 said:

Dismantle that bottom right hand wago block.  Its wrong.  Now connect the wire from the hall switch ONLY to the hall light, in a two way block.  Same again for each other light. Should be OK then.

Brilliant thanks for your help mate 

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kerching

Suggestion.....use the lever type wagos.....easier to reconfigure than the push ins  

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Doc Hudson

If using push fits the single grey 8 terminal wago, should be 3x yellow 2 terminal wagos.

 

Doc H.

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binky

post on 'spider wiring' on this forum, 2014

 

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Evans Electric

Not seen one of those before Binky . 

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roys

Some of them were made by and stamped into the steelwork “Octopus”

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Murdoch

OP how would you have done this in your industrial arena?

 

Switching is switching

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SPECIAL LOCATION
2 hours ago, Murdoch said:

OP how would you have done this in your industrial arena?

 

Switching is switching

 

+1

 

Supply(Inc protective device) -> Switch(or multiple switch options/paths) -> Load -> Back to supply.

 

How does it change, due to the building or size of cables ?

 

:C

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Evans Electric
19 hours ago, roys said:

Some of them were made by and stamped into the steelwork “Octopus”

I wonder if they were used so a firm could do the "American"   install  system  where a "Wireman "  pulls cable in but doesn't do connecting .       

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kerching

Strictly speaking there should only be ONE cable per gland unless the gland is designed for two cables. Also the rubber seal inside the glands should have OVAL  holes not round ones. 

 

Just saying

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