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Jadda1987

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SPECIAL LOCATION

Sounds like a classic dual edged problem of...

 

(1)  semi-competent tradesperson..

 

(2) lack of formal written contract agreement before any work commenced!

 

Mix the two together on the same job and total carnage and mayhem can result.

 

:o

 

If its one of these walk-in showers with a long shower tray, (you say 1500mm), then it could be argued that the far-end of the tray is not in the "showering area" …..

i.e where shower jets would normally be expected to be directed..

 

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Walk in shower. Roughly 1.5metre long by 70cm wide. On one 70cm wall end is stud wall with shower on opposote end of wall is heated towel thermostat towel rail.

 

 

 

Bog standard shower enclosure is 760mm x 760mm

Allowing for 600mm zone to the side of standard 760mm enclosure  would be 1360mm..

 

Even working backwards from 1500mm far wall - 600mm zone still leaves 900mm worth of shower area..?

 

We have a 1000mm x 850mm shower tray with a single glass wall and an open end on the narrow 850mm side 1000mm from the mixer shower.. 

 

Even with NO door, at 1000mm from shower wall we don't get any significant water flying out of the enclosure..  

so I guess it could be argued that 1500mm is reasonably safe...?

 

Personally I would not do what you have described..

BUT..   it may not be any more dangerous than any electrical accessory if someone decided to throw a cup of water over it!?

 

:popcorn:C

 

Just Pondering?

 

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Jadda1987

Search dizzyjaskell on facebook. Photos are public on profile

 

 

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Jadda1987

Towel rail is ipx5 

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Dizzyjaskell fb profile check pics

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Jadda1987
14 hours ago, SPECIAL LOCATION said:

Sounds like a classic dual edged problem of...

 

(1)  semi-competent tradesperson..

 

(2) lack of formal written contract agreement before any work commenced!

 

Mix the two together on the same job and total carnage and mayhem can result.

 

:o

 

If its one of these walk-in showers with a long shower tray, (you say 1500mm), then it could be argued that the far-end of the tray is not in the "showering area" …..

i.e where shower jets would normally be expected to be directed..

 

 

 

Bog standard shower enclosure is 760mm x 760mm

Allowing for 600mm zone to the side of standard 760mm enclosure  would be 1360mm..

 

Even working backwards from 1500mm far wall - 600mm zone still leaves 900mm worth of shower area..?

 

We have a 1000mm x 850mm shower tray with a single glass wall and an open end on the narrow 850mm side 1000mm from the mixer shower.. 

 

Even with NO door, at 1000mm from shower wall we don't get any significant water flying out of the enclosure..  

so I guess it could be argued that 1500mm is reasonably safe...?

 

Personally I would not do what you have described..

BUT..   it may not be any more dangerous than any electrical accessory if someone decided to throw a cup of water over it!?

 

:popcorn:C

 

Just Pondering?

 

 

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Jadda1987

I know how much of a cockup this all is. Communication, agreement, standard of tradesman aside....

 

Can somebody please tell me if this electrical towel rail ip55 with the wiring and blank electrical connection plate within a 1500mm enclosed shower space is legit? 

 

The shower was put in so my grandmother could sit on a chair and carer wash her with shower attatchment. Obvious water condensing will collect on power plate and water will ingress inside onto live wire through the gaps in the poor sealing?

 

Please look at Dizzyjaskell profile on fb. I have posted pictures.

 

Thank you

 

 

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Murdoch
1 hour ago, Jadda1987 said:

Search dizzyjaskell on facebook. Photos are public on profile

 

 

 

Not everybody uses facebook

 

maybe you could resize the images and load them on here

 

if as you suggest, the radiator is with the shower cubicle, then I wouldn’t say it’s a good idea, and would never place one there myself

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Jadda1987

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If water can get into the live socket this could potentially electrocute, or cause a fire???? 

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Murdoch

RAF

 

 

 Can you post a picture of the fuseboard?

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ProDave

Can we see more of the room to see where else the towel rail might go?

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Jadda1987

It wont fit anywhere else too big

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Jadda1987

All i need to know is, is this legit? Or is this a serious health/fire risk. 

 

Does fitting the towel rail in an enclosed shower with the wiring and flex power plate meet regulations? 

 

Shower head is 1300mm from towel rail. 

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Jono Pashley
Just now, Jadda1987 said:

All i need to know is, is this legit? Or is this a serious health/fire risk. 

 

Does fitting the towel rail in an enclosed shower with the wiring and flex power plate meet regulations? 

 

Shower head is 1300mm from towel rail. 

 

Its a potential shock risk the flex outlet plate is not suitable for the location and none compliant with the wiring regulations from those pictures. I'd suggest you contact ELESCA asap and get a electrician to make it safe in the meantime. I would not use the shower without the towel rail having first being safely isolated from the supply.

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Jadda1987

Thank you Jono!

 

Dont worry its not connected. Will contact Elecsa asap as suggested. 

 

 

 

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Andy™

towel rail would appear to be fine where it is. the connections not so much. however, there might not actually be any connections in there to get wet, might be be whats been put in to cover the cable going into the wall to a connection elsewhere. without verifying this, then couldnt say either way.

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Geoff1946

Personally I wouldn't want to use a shower which wasn't on an RCD.

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Andy™
Just now, Geoff1946 said:

Personally I wouldn't want to use a shower which wasn't on an RCD.

 

whats wrong with it being on an RCBO?

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Geoff1946

Sorry hadn't realised. I thought they were just MCBs.

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Evans Electric

According to the Regs you CAN install a towel rail in Zone 1   of a shower  ,  the connection unit however is subject to water ingress .       

I would have refused to fit it to be honest , whatever the Regs say  .     Arse covered , let someone else do it .      Seems stupid anyway  as the towels will be getting wet all the time .    

The rail would need an isolation switch somewhere in the bathroom .  

 

 

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Murdoch
10 hours ago, Evans Electric said:

According to the Regs you CAN install a towel rail in Zone 1   of a shower  ,  the connection unit however is subject to water ingress .       

I would have refused to fit it to be honest , whatever the Regs say  .     Arse covered , let someone else do it .      Seems stupid anyway  as the towels will be getting wet all the time .    

The rail would need an isolation switch somewhere in the bathroom .  

 

 

 

Not sure I agree with that. Better outside the room IMHO

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Evans Electric

Well as long as it gets one somewhere. 

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