Just found out Code 2 no Rcd is really a code 3!!!!!!!!!!

Totallywhat · Feb 25, 2021

After being an electrician for 26 years I have just found out that it’s ok to pass an installation without Rcd protection!

im gob smacked!!

everything I’ve ever learnt has just need thrown out the window

I’m now questions my knowledge as to what is going on

how can it be that the No.1 life saving piece of equipment “RCD” not be potentially dangerous if not fitted in an installation

Murdoch · Feb 25, 2021

What makes you think no rcd protection on sockets is a C3?

for me it’s a C2 , no ifs, no buts

Totallywhat · Feb 25, 2021

To me it’s a C2 all day but that’s apparently not correct, it’s a huge debate, can’t quite believe it

You can add 1 x Rcd double socket near a front/back door and only recommended the full Rcd

Murdoch · Feb 25, 2021

Totallywhat said:
To me it’s a C2 all day but that’s apparently not correct, it’s a huge debate, can’t quite believe it

You can add 1 x Rcd double socket near a front/back door and only recommended the full Rcd

Not sure I agree with that

BS 7288 products are no longer in BS 7671

Who is telling you it's a C3?

NozSpark · Feb 25, 2021

No RCD for buried cables is a C3

No RCD for sockets that can be used outdoors C2

No RCD for bathroom circuits (without supplementary bonding) C2.... if bonding is present C3

RCD sockets and fused spurs (ie BS7288 devices) are no longer in BS7671 as they do not afford additional protection

If I have to think about a particular code then I use the ESC best practice guide 4

Totallywhat · Feb 25, 2021

So you can not add an Rcd fuse spur to a lighting circuit to overcome the “no Rcd” in a bathroom ?? 30ma is 30ma right ??

Im not having a go I’m questioning my own knowledge

Murdoch · Feb 25, 2021

Totallywhat said:
So you can not add an Rcd fuse spur to a lighting circuit to overcome the “no Rcd” in a bathroom ?? 30ma is 30ma right ??

Im not having a go I’m questioning my own knowledge

BS 7288 products died when the 18th edition came into force over 2 years ago

NozSpark said:
No RCD for buried cables is a C3

110% agree

Yet the Muppets at Napit code breakers state it's a C2

Totallywhat · Feb 25, 2021

They really have caused a coding issue!

very mixed debate when you dig deep into it

Ive been told that a 40-50 year old 3036 board can remain safe in use but to code 2 that there is no Rcd socket near any external use

a first floor flat can therefore for be left without any Rcd protection at all other then 4mm bonding or Rcd protection in a bathroom

are you saying adding an Rcd fused spur to a bathroom is not good enough??

must be an actual Rcd within a board to cover this ??

sorry if I’m repeating myself again

NozSpark · Feb 25, 2021

Totallywhat said:
They really have caused a coding issue!

very mixed debate when you dig deep into it

Ive been told that a 40-50 year old 3036 board can remain safe in use but to code 2 that there is no Rcd socket near any external use

a first floor flat can therefore for be left without any Rcd protection at all other then 4mm bonding or Rcd protection in a bathroom

are you saying adding an Rcd fused spur to a bathroom is not good enough??

must be an actual Rcd within a board to cover this ??

sorry if I’m repeating myself again

The long and the short of it is that BS7288 devices no longer comply with BS7671 as the do not offer additional protection... the only other option is to use BS61008 and BS61009 devices... if you use an appropriate enclosure and wiring method then you could put one of these outside a bathroom to get RCD protection

Murdoch said:
BS 7288 products died when the 18th edition came into force over 2 years ago

110% agree

Yet the Muppets at Napit code breakers state it's a C2

Yeh... Codebreakers have a few random codings

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

Wow I’ve just been reading about the 7288’s

they were not included in the 18th at all

yet another huge debate!!!

ok so you have to fit 61008/61009 in order to comply now, I’m reading it loud and clear

I should have been a plumber

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

Just for the record

what page is the listing of bs numbers

page 352 listing only 61008 and 61009 ?

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

Not a 7288 in sight

binky · Feb 26, 2021

Totallywhat said:
Ive been told that a 40-50 year old 3036 board can remain safe in use

Board would probably fail for being wood or the like, but good old fuse wire is still recognised as a protective device.

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

Agreed, I’d stand firm that those well made wooden highly combustible wylex numbers are a fire hazard

potentially dangerous

“potentially ” is a also a dangerous word In itself

Potentially-with the capacity to develop or happen in the future.

Murdoch · Feb 26, 2021

NozSpark said:
The long and the short of it is that BS7288 devices no longer comply with BS7671 as the do not offer additional protection... the only other option is to use BS61008 and BS61009 devices... if you use an appropriate enclosure and wiring method then you could put one of these outside a bathroom to get RCD protection

Yeh... Codebreakers have a few random codings

I don't think they are random.

Totallywhat said:
Not a 7288 in sight

And ask yourself who gains the most by excluding them?

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

Us sparks gain financially and the customer gains the safety they deserve

Murdoch · Feb 26, 2021

Totallywhat said:
Us sparks gain financially and the customer gains the safety they deserve

ha ha

the big Manufacturers gain the most and that’s why they influence the committees so much

Totallywhat · Feb 26, 2021

You guys have helped me a lot, I thank you

Oh to be a spark

boltonsparky · Feb 26, 2021

BS7288 not included in 7671 but in GN8 they're recommended. This is a new GN8 that has allegedly been updated to be inline with 18th edition.

Murdoch · Feb 26, 2021

boltonsparky said:
BS7288 not included in 7671 but in GN8 they're recommended. This is a new GN8 that has allegedly been updated to be inline with 18th edition.

More disorganised chaos and miss misinformation then.

Nonsense

If the people writing the books can't get it right, how on earth are we supposed to keep up?

Just found out Code 2 no Rcd is really a code 3!!!!!!!!!!

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