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these are the instructions for my 1664? 
 

Custom RCD Setting – Var mode 
To measure RCD tripping time for a custom RCD setting – Var mode: 
1. Turn the rotary dial to the ∆T (or I∆N for Tripping Current measurement) 
position. 
2. Press  to select the Var current rating. The current custom setting shows 
on the primary display. Use  to adjust the value. 
3. Press  to select a test current multiplier. Normally you will use x 1/2 or 
x 1 for this test. 
4. Repeat steps 4 through 7 listed in the RCD tripping time measurement 
procedure. 
5. To view the nominal setting used for the test, press . 
Note 
The maximum setting for type A RCDs is 700 mA. Var mode is 
not available for type B RCDs. 

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kerching
2 minutes ago, Sharpend said:

@kerching

 

these are the instructions for my 1664? 
 

Custom RCD Setting – Var mode 
To measure RCD tripping time for a custom RCD setting – Var mode: 
1. Turn the rotary dial to the ∆T (or I∆N for Tripping Current measurement) 
position. 
2. Press  to select the Var current rating. The current custom setting shows 
on the primary display. Use  to adjust the value. 
3. Press  to select a test current multiplier. Normally you will use x 1/2 or 
x 1 for this test. 
4. Repeat steps 4 through 7 listed in the RCD tripping time measurement 
procedure. 
5. To view the nominal setting used for the test, press . 
Note 
The maximum setting for type A RCDs is 700 mA. Var mode is 
not available for type B RCDs. 

Ah!

mr merlot arrived early and may have clouded my interpretation BUT does this mean my Fluke isn't up to the job?

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Sharpend
11 minutes ago, kerching said:

Ah!

mr merlot arrived early and may have clouded my interpretation BUT does this mean my Fluke isn't up to the job?


sounds as though my newer model isn’t either!! 

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NozSpark

:shakehead..... its a 6mA DC test,,,, your VAR setting will be AC 

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Sharpend
Just now, NozSpark said:

:shakehead..... its a 6mA DC test,,,, your VAR setting will be AC 

Well all I can say is I was Mis-sold an 18th edition tester!! It clearly doesn’t comply with 18th edition testing requirements. 
now all I need is a solicitor who specialises for Mis-selling. 

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NozSpark
2 minutes ago, Sharpend said:

Well all I can say is I was Mis-sold an 18th edition tester!! It clearly doesn’t comply with 18th edition testing requirements. 
now all I need is a solicitor who specialises for Mis-selling. 

 

18th edition but not EV 🙄

 

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Sharpend
2 minutes ago, NozSpark said:

 

18th edition but not EV 🙄

 

Ah but, the 18th edition includes EV?

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kerching

To,be fair the chances of me wanting/needing to test an EV setup are pretty slim. If I install,the points at my lads house and warehouse I'll get him to hire me the kit. He's not bothered about the Grant 

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boltonsparky
On 21/07/2021 at 12:31, Murdoch said:

out of interest how much did that cost you ?

 

It was £70 for the week once all the vat and delivery each way was added on. It was as a one off to install a charger at my own place. I've no intention of installing them regularly until all this grant business has been ditched so buying one seemed like a waste of money. Obviously if you're planning on doing a few it'd make far more sense to buy one but for a one off I thought it was reasonable.

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3 hours ago, boltonsparky said:

 

It was £70 for the week once all the vat and delivery each way was added on. It was as a one off to install a charger at my own place. I've no intention of installing them regularly until all this grant business has been ditched so buying one seemed like a waste of money. Obviously if you're planning on doing a few it'd make far more sense to buy one but for a one off I thought it was reasonable.

 

Interesting. The extra module for my Metrel is about £400 and I've just been asked to look to install a EV point  ............ my though is to buy the module then charge £50 per EV install I do to cover the  cost.

 

I've seen far to many rushed poor EV installs to get interested in doing them and as the IET seems to have completely lost the plot with the regs who would get involved?

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kerching
4 hours ago, boltonsparky said:

 

It was £70 for the week once all the vat and delivery each way was added on. It was as a one off to install a charger at my own place. I've no intention of installing them regularly until all this grant business has been ditched so buying one seemed like a waste of money. Obviously if you're planning on doing a few it'd make far more sense to buy one but for a one off I thought it was reasonable.

Where did you hire it from?

PM me if you don't want to put it on open forum...not sure if it breaks the advertising rules!  And some of those moderators can be absolute !?£&80les 😂😂😂😂😂 

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boltonsparky
4 hours ago, kerching said:

Where did you hire it from?

PM me if you don't want to put it on open forum...not sure if it breaks the advertising rules!  And some of those moderators can be absolute !?£&80les 😂😂😂😂😂 

 

Probably breaking a few rules but it was from these guys https://www.test-meter.co.uk/ 👍

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kerching
17 minutes ago, boltonsparky said:

 

Probably breaking a few rules but it was from these guys https://www.test-meter.co.uk/ 👍

Thanks , duly noted!

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NozSpark

one thing to remember if you're not going down the OLEV route is that you still need to send a ENA form to your DNO (exactly the same as if you were installing a heat pump)

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DaveS79
On 21/07/2021 at 00:19, SPECIAL LOCATION said:

 

2 years?   

In all honesty and practicality I would suggest that you have had insufficient time for you to fully comprehend the error of your ways...

 

re-read 314.1 (i)   then consider...

 

(1) would a Dual RCD board minimise inconvenience compared to a full RCBO board?

 

Or..

 

(2) would a full RCBO board minimise inconvenience compared to a Dual RCD board?

 

@DaveS79

If you were a close friend or relative, I would be very strongly recommending to you that Dual RCD boards are not worth the savings over full RCBO..

And if I were installing one in your house it would by full RCBO..

 

(I have replaced the CU's at both my Moms & Mother-In-Laws...    in both cases they now have Full RCBO boards!!!)

 

I wouldn't entertain messing around with a dual RCD board for anyone who is important or special to me!

 

:C

 

On 21/07/2021 at 09:01, binky said:

totally agree.

 

 

On 21/07/2021 at 08:35, Murdoch said:

 

I really don't understand why RCBO boards weren't mandated by the IET years ago - rather than faffing around with SPD's and AFDD's

Points noted and maybe have been quite lucky so far installing mainly dual RCD boards. Will reconsider this but realise will need to upsell to potential customers as very often get beaten on price even installing these. Especially in these days of landlords just wanting cheapest option to gain compliance. Did a price comparison, and on a 13 Way DB with 10 x RCBO's comes in around £150 more expensive (and this was BG so other brands likely to be quite a bit more expensive) Type A's becoming more standard now and are currently more expensive. If manufacturer still producing both type A's and AC'c would you consider using just A types for socket circuits as my understanding is that this is where the potential risks of DC faults lie. Lighting circuits etc not so much a concern with this?

Cheers

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Murdoch
14 minutes ago, DaveS79 said:

 

 

Points noted and maybe have been quite lucky so far installing mainly dual RCD boards. Will reconsider this but realise will need to upsell to potential customers as very often get beaten on price even installing these. Especially in these days of landlords just wanting cheapest option to gain compliance. Did a price comparison, and on a 13 Way DB with 10 x RCBO's comes in around £150 more expensive (and this was BG so other brands likely to be quite a bit more expensive) Type A's becoming more standard now and are currently more expensive. If manufacturer still producing both type A's and AC'c would you consider using just A types for socket circuits as my understanding is that this is where the potential risks of DC faults lie. Lighting circuits etc not so much a concern with this?

Cheers


so how much do you charge roughly for a dual rcd board change?

 

 For me it’s simple, I only quote for RCBO boards. If I don’t win the business, I don’t care

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Fleeting

Hager produce dual type A rcd boards which are 100A rated, jobs a good one. Complete compliance. 

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DaveS79
1 hour ago, Murdoch said:


so how much do you charge roughly for a dual rcd board change?

 

 For me it’s simple, I only quote for RCBO boards. If I don’t win the business, I don’t care

You didn't stipulate are going full type A's now or a combination?

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I solely stick type A in now for everything, price difference isn't all that much. In most cases a new board is going to sit there for the next 10 to 15 years at least, new appliances, lighting and god knows what other new stuff that is brought out is going to be hanging off those circuits in that time, future proof it as best you can. 

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Murdoch
11 hours ago, DaveS79 said:

You didn't stipulate are going full type A's now or a combination?

 

type A ..........

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binky
On 24/07/2021 at 18:32, DaveS79 said:

 

 

Points noted and maybe have been quite lucky so far installing mainly dual RCD boards. Will reconsider this but realise will need to upsell to potential customers as very often get beaten on price even installing these. Especially in these days of landlords just wanting cheapest option to gain compliance. Did a price comparison, and on a 13 Way DB with 10 x RCBO's comes in around £150 more expensive (and this was BG so other brands likely to be quite a bit more expensive) Type A's becoming more standard now and are currently more expensive. If manufacturer still producing both type A's and AC'c would you consider using just A types for socket circuits as my understanding is that this is where the potential risks of DC faults lie. Lighting circuits etc not so much a concern with this?

Cheers

 

many people are charging £1k for a board change these days, so £150 is easily absorbed. However, if you take the time to explain to people the RCBOs cost more but offer far greater reliability, I've found even landlords will take the option as they have all suffered call outs mid winter when something has tripped the RCD and left the rental property with no heating etc etc, and can't get hold of an electrician because we are all busy and it's the weekend. 

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Sharpend
26 minutes ago, binky said:

 

many people are charging £1k for a board change these days, so £150 is easily absorbed. However, if you take the time to explain to people the RCBOs cost more but offer far greater reliability, I've found even landlords will take the option as they have all suffered call outs mid winter when something has tripped the RCD and left the rental property with no heating etc etc, and can't get hold of an electrician because we are all busy and it's the weekend. 


Is this so? Well if that’s the case maybe I need to be more actively involved in doing some, £1k per day is manageable by my standards. :C 

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