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What tests prior to "pricing up"


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Just wondering what every one does prior to pricing up

What tests do you all run?

Do you guys get the tester out and spend time doing "some testing"

obviously not taking CU fronts off lol

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Ze is all I do, can then sort out with DNO about funky readings before you start the rewire.

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Evans Electric

If possible I would read the Ze , but always tell the client there could be a problem with the main earthing.

Theres a thread on here, by KME I think, with a list do,s and don't when pricing a rewire. Solid floors, loft boarded over etc. Take a look at that.

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If possible I would read the Ze , but always tell the client there could be a problem with the main earthing.

Theres a thread on here, by KME I think, with a list do,s and don't when pricing a rewire. Solid floors, loft boarded over etc. Take a look at that.

not really for the larger jobs, im thinking more along the lines of

extending a ring main for an extension, extra lights. Fuse spur, etc the "smaller" jobs

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voltage drop, circuit load, and if a ring circuit, continuity/figure of 8 (though I normally provisionally quote for the best results but warn clients that they may need remedial work done before I can do what they want Me to)

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Evans Electric

I think then for smaller jobs , it makes more sense to read the Ze while you are there pricing. No nasty surprises then after extending a ring, say, then finding the Zs is poor.

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Just curious as i just had a bugger of a job...

basic tests everything was fine.

Just kicking my self though at the minute.

Did the work, and the RCD test failed miserably. New RCD Required :( customer refused to have the RCD changed as they "couldn't afford it"

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They couldnt afford

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Evans Electric

Did they expect you to pay for it then ? X(

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Did they expect you to pay for it then ? X(

pretty much, builder ended up paying for it and charging it as "extra work" lol which is not really the way to go.

Although customer did say i should have noticed this when pricing up.

Some people are just clueless :(

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Well I don't think you should have noticed it , what else did they think you should have noticed when just pricing up, lets see now, you missed the faulty RCD, you missed the poor Ze , you missed that faulty immersion heater, you didn't spot the outside light PIR was U/S , Oh and the doorbell worked before you came and these existing ancient metal light fittings have no earth terminals , you'll have to drill 'em and fit one. What did they expect ,a full test and report for sod all.

We are not mind readers.

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There really is only so much you can do before it starts to get silly really DL, I would just do basics and mention in quote that more thorough testing maybe needed later on.

Andy

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ive recommended they get a full report done, as some of the other circuits in the board looked rather shady especially with the board been done by a YEB bloke

and then the kitchen been passed off on that RCD, they had a full report for the kitchen etc but didnt give it me till after and surprise surprise, no RCD times

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green-hornet

Whenever I do any quote I do an initial inspection.

I test for an effective earth Ze.

Then I test Zs.

I do a global Ir test.

The results of these tests tell me all I need to know about the state of the instalation and how the addition or changes can effect the work I have been asked to do.

Everything is made clear to the client from the outset, so there are no nasty surprises.

I have had comments like "the last guy who gave me a quote did not do that"

or " the last electrician did not test anything he just said it would cost me so much"

My answer is always the same.

Go cheap get cheap, I am fuly registered I have grandchildren, and I will not do any work that is not safe.

Basic testing is a must to give a fully detailed quotation, with no hidden surprises.

Or I could just estimate a full rewire for say

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Whenever I do any quote I do an initial inspection.

I test for an effective earth Ze.

Then I test Zs.

I do a global Ir test.

The results of these tests tell me all I need to know about the state of the instalation and how the addition or changes can effect the work I have been asked to do.

This would not throw up a faulty RCD though. unless you do an RCD test on the installation as well before quoting. (thats if they have an RCD)

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This would not throw up a faulty RCD though. unless you do an RCD test on the installation as well before quoting. (thats if they have an RCD)

Yeah but most quotes I do is for full rewires and the like.

If they do have any rcds it would be a good oppertunity at this stage to see if disconnection times are met.

So on this I agreeB-)

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i must say i have been spending a lot of time on site, and this was a Saturday job

But just wondering if i was in the wrong not testing the RCD prior to work commencing.

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Not in My view DL

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a few plug in test is not to bad but doing ir, ze befor u even know u got the job its a nightmare. trouble is people are cluless and they dont know if your giving them potental life saving advice or trying to rip them off. my instructor said he used to make them sign a contract saying any underline faults picked up would be chargable

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There really is only so much you can do before it starts to get silly really DL, I would just do basics and mention in quote that more thorough testing maybe needed later on.

Andy

I used to do a few basic tests, but its all time and money, so stopped doing this, but do make a point of having very good look and making it clear to customer that i don't have x-ray vision and may find problems whilst undertaking work required.

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a few plug in test is not to bad but doing ir, ze befor u even know u got the job its a nightmare. trouble is people are cluless and they dont know if your giving them potental life saving advice or trying to rip them off. my instructor said he used to make them sign a contract saying any underline faults picked up would be chargable

These tests take me minutes to complete, but save me hours in work.

I never have to explain extra charges, I did all that when I first started out.

Now I allow an hour per quote, 10 minutes of this is spent doing basic tests, the other 50 minutes is spent getting to know the customer.

Its amazing how much you can find you have in common, and show an interest in their activities.This is the time to sell you! Your the most important part of the rewire.

I have left some houses only to be invited back for a party or bbq or even a wedding on one occasion, simply because I was there, gave good advise, was not overpriced and above all was proffesional in my approach.

You simply can not be beaten if you are prepared to spare the time and help the client through a very expensive part of the process.

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tt

i agree but i am not as fast as u. so you take the cu cover off for the ze thats not to bad. the ir u doing p+n to e so u dont have to disconect clocks, bulbs, pir appliances ect

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