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Anyone been refused Part P reg.?


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This cropped up the other day in conversation , Has anyone or do you know of anyone to be refused registration with a "P" providor ?

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Interesting that on the largest Electrician's Forum in the universe, no one knows of anyone being refused.

Mind you only 41 guys have viewed this post up to now .

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Deke - I'll apply to join if you like ;)

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I reckon they'd sign you up, no probs.

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82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

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82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

It does happen, although the candidates are given every opportunity to correct any errors. But there are some with obviously dangerous assessments that can't be allowed.

Refusal is often where key safety issues are not understood, or the installation under inspection breaches basic electrical standards.

The Godfather

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82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything.

That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

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Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything.

That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

Just what I was thinking.

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Good point , guys. I was thinking in terms of the NICEIC having a monopoly for years then suddenly finding their captive audience diluted by the other outfits and also the other outfits requiring membership to survive.

Del.

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Good point , guys. I was thinking in terms of the NICEIC having a monopoly for years then suddenly finding their captive audience diluted by the other outfits and also the other outfits requiring membership to survive.

Del.

NICEIC monopoly????:o

remember this thread...

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4431

BSI 108 YEARS (1901)

ECA 108 YEARS (1901)

ELECSA (date ?) {part of ECA}

NAPIT 17 YEARS (1992)

NICEIC 53 YEARS (1956)

Considering ECA & BSI both been around for double the time that NICEIC have...

and Part P introduced 2005, & there had to be MORE THAN ONE scheme provider for contractors to choose who they enrol with...

not sure how "Monopoly for years" can be an appropriate phrase?:|?:|

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Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything.

That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

I think this is indeed the pivotal point......

Really crap sparks would not bother trying to enrol, or log on to forums like this.. they would just carry on doing their work not notifying or certifying anything.

A good competent spark will just go ahead get enrolled, pass assessments, (cuz to a competent person it is not too hard), and just get on with work notify & cert as appropriate.

A slightly poor spark who enrols, if they are within a gnats whisker of meeting the standards would generally be given appropriate advise and opportunity to improve their standards and just get their final acceptance date a bit latter than originally planed.. (probs have to pay for a second assessment visit tho!:().

I doubt a person who didn't think they had a cat in hells chance of complying with assessment, would stump up around

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What I meant by a monopoly was that since the late sixties , local councils, NHS, architects, government , MOD, Police , fire & ambulance etc, would demand NICEIC membership for inclusion on their lists. Still do in fact. ECA, NAPITT ,BSI would have got you nowhere to be honest, perhaps ECA may have done .

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What I meant by a monopoly was that since the late sixties , local councils, NHS, architects, government , MOD, Police , fire & ambulance etc, would demand NICEIC membership for inclusion on their lists. Still do in fact. ECA, NAPITT ,BSI would have got you nowhere to be honest, perhaps ECA may have done .

This is actually free market choice then... not monopoly...

Just because various organisations or bodies prefer one supplier of a service over another supplier of a similar service, doesn't mean there has been a monopoly or restriction of other bodies offering their services..

Much as you could not say during certain periods of history that Ford had a monopoly over fleet vehicle purchases or private vehicle purchases...

although they may well have ranked within the top sales figures for various of their models...

Cortina / Escort / Fiesta / Sierra / Mondeo / Focus etc.. etc...

one could have argued (possibly the Vauxhall or Rover rep etc..) that Ford have had a monopoly over the "reps" car market......

But actualy it was down to "Free market choice"!:|

Much as with various organisations have "for whatever reason" chosen to prefer NIC over other market choices!?:|:D

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You've lost me on this one , Specs, what other choice was there, other than the NICEIC for contractors ? I know that today, on the domestic side , there is a choice of providers but surely only NIC is acknowledged commercialy.

There was no other choice for the contractor to enlist with.

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I think this is indeed the pivotal point......

There are listings of contractors who get struck off the listings for failing to maintain the requirements of membership...

e.g. work standards, keeping qualifications up to date, paying subscriptions, customer complaints etc.. etc..

:|

That'll be the main one I'd wager!

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MMMMMMmmmm ! 268 views and no one refused yet.

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MMMMMMmmmm ! 268 views and no one refused yet.

MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm! still as per me post #18!

Really crap sparks would not bother trying to enrol, or log on to forums like this.. they would just carry on doing their work not notifying or certifying anything.

A good competent spark will just go ahead get enrolled, pass assessments, (cuz to a competent person it is not too hard), and just get on with work notify & cert as appropriate.

A slightly poor spark who enrols, if they are within a gnats whisker of meeting the standards would generally be given appropriate advise and opportunity to improve their standards and just get their final acceptance date a bit latter than originally planed.. (probs have to pay for a second assessment visit tho!).

I doubt a person who didn't think they had a cat in hells chance of complying with assessment, would stump up around

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You've lost me on this one , Specs, what other choice was there, other than the NICEIC for contractors ? I know that today, on the domestic side , there is a choice of providers but surely only NIC is acknowledged commercialy.

There was no other choice for the contractor to enlist with.

So what ahe the ECA been doing for the past 100years then????:(

e.g. try this website...

http://www.eca.co.uk/

Founded over 100 years ago, the Electrical Contractors' Association (ECA) is the UK's largest and leading trade association representing electrical, electronic, installation engineering and building services companies. We work closely with government and key national bodies to improve industry standards and procedures. Our comprehensive, progressive and innovative services are highly respected and renowned throughout the industry. Welcome to the ECA public website. If you are an ECA member, please login to access the members area and member specific information across the site.

and / or this page...

http://www.eca.co.uk/UsAndOurIndustry/AboutTheECA/code.asp

The ECA Code of Fair Trading was originally introduced in 1991 and registered at that time with the Office of Fair Trading (OFT). It reinforced the standing of ECA members as quality-driven trades people with high standards who had already been covered by a guarantee of work for over 40 years. Obligatory adherence to the Code alongside the ECA's Rules, Bye-laws and disciplinary procedures would also enable the Association to ensure the upkeep of high standards of conduct. Since then, the OFT have published general "core criteria" for trade association codes of practice, whilst the Government is also promoting the principle of high standards of conduct, together with consumer-friendly warranties and complaints procedures, in a general drive with official schemes to improve quality standards in domestic building and associated work.

code of fair trading 1991...

18 years ago...... WELL before part-P was a twinkle in any governments eye!

So what was stopping any business specifying they wanted their electrical contractors to be members of 'ECA' -vs- 'NIC'????

:|?:|:(

Monopoly? My Ar5e!!!!:o:|

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