Again we won't disagree over that.
The same applies to myself & 7671, I have deliberately steered away from it because of the 5 day wonders and the race to the bottom.
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The same applies to myself & 7671, I have deliberately steered away from it because of the 5 day wonders and the race to the bottom.
so much agreement .......... can't keep this up!
So what I would like is "proper" sparks on JPEL /64 and for the Plain English Society to proof read the 18th edition and no more updates until its been "improved"
heres wishing!
Oh dear...
Come on surely we can find something to at least have a minor disagreement over? :slap :slap :slap
having been involved in an few cases of non-compliance, which resulted in prosection for false claims of scheme membership rather than failure to comply with regs, I do feel this is the biggest failing of being registered. One almost feels one could do shoddy work and not worry about anything ever coming back to haunt one!
Previously I have argued for greater control of registration and higher standards, more like gas, but I don't feel the schemes would enforce standards and just use it as an excuse to generate more income for themselves - not that I'm cynical or anything :^O
Just a thought....
Could we not write our own regs?
Could we not write our own regs?
That has and is being discussed too...Just a thought....
Could we not write our own regs?
Outside the IET & the schemes...
That is the trick, but then again BS 7671 has no specific legal standing over a statement from HSE within.
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this is something I've always found quite odd, we basically could do anything we want anyway?
Yep!
But it does need to be carefully thought out, and the guidance needs to comply with the requirements of law.
It is my perhaps misunderstood thoughts that if bs7671 were a legal document then it would be free of charge?
Hence the comment about the fish.
Hence the comment about the fish.
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Reading the last few comments on this thread I thought I'd throw myfew words in, recently a fellow electrician and I were discussing the regs and how sometimes there seems to be a change just for the sake of it, or in reality, just to create an excuse for a new edition and therefore raise money!
I pondered at the time the potential for just not bothering with new regs and carrying on as normal, as we know, they are for guidance only and not enforceable in law, and yes I know they are often the basis for prosecutions, but a lot of stuff hasn't changed over many years. Ok when I was a lad, a load of sockets on a loop was known as a ring main, then a ring circuit, now a ring final. However, when you look at it it's still a load of sockets on a loop of cable, yes there's been requirements to fit RCD's, which is not always a good thing, because back in the day they were secondary protection, now they've become a primary method, hurrah, I hear some people cry, now we don't have to worry about getting that loop value down lower, which was one reason RCD's used to be fitted.
When you look at the bigger picture, very little has changed over the last 40 years regarding circuits, ok we now use LED's a lot instead of filament lamps, but fundamentally the circuit is still the same, Showers got bigger, 10mm is common now whereas years ago 6mm, and in the early days 4mm was the norm, the same thing with cookers, so why do we need to fork out nearly a hundred quid on a book only to find after reading it cover to cover, that very little has changed?
No!, I am all for anything that puts the brakes on the gravy train that is the IEE wiring regs, plus another thing, apart from proving you can read, what else does it prove? It has to be the only exam I know where you can take the book of answers in with you, all you do is look up the answer to the question.Now, I suspect that, like me, you all passed an English exam at school, this effectively said that you knew how to read and write, so why do we need to pay stupid money to do a regs exam, it's simply to supply the gravy train.Lets make no bones about it, if you didn't know what you were doing then your clients would soon get worried if you spent half the job looking in a book for the answers, so how does sitting in a room with an exam paper in one hand and a book of answers in the other actually prove anything, it doesn't, except the fact that you can read, I rest my case.
I pondered at the time the potential for just not bothering with new regs and carrying on as normal, as we know, they are for guidance only and not enforceable in law, and yes I know they are often the basis for prosecutions, but a lot of stuff hasn't changed over many years. Ok when I was a lad, a load of sockets on a loop was known as a ring main, then a ring circuit, now a ring final. However, when you look at it it's still a load of sockets on a loop of cable, yes there's been requirements to fit RCD's, which is not always a good thing, because back in the day they were secondary protection, now they've become a primary method, hurrah, I hear some people cry, now we don't have to worry about getting that loop value down lower, which was one reason RCD's used to be fitted.
When you look at the bigger picture, very little has changed over the last 40 years regarding circuits, ok we now use LED's a lot instead of filament lamps, but fundamentally the circuit is still the same, Showers got bigger, 10mm is common now whereas years ago 6mm, and in the early days 4mm was the norm, the same thing with cookers, so why do we need to fork out nearly a hundred quid on a book only to find after reading it cover to cover, that very little has changed?
No!, I am all for anything that puts the brakes on the gravy train that is the IEE wiring regs, plus another thing, apart from proving you can read, what else does it prove? It has to be the only exam I know where you can take the book of answers in with you, all you do is look up the answer to the question.Now, I suspect that, like me, you all passed an English exam at school, this effectively said that you knew how to read and write, so why do we need to pay stupid money to do a regs exam, it's simply to supply the gravy train.Lets make no bones about it, if you didn't know what you were doing then your clients would soon get worried if you spent half the job looking in a book for the answers, so how does sitting in a room with an exam paper in one hand and a book of answers in the other actually prove anything, it doesn't, except the fact that you can read, I rest my case.
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