but sl your saying that 610.4 is the specific regulation which it is not its just a note in there to say make sure add/alts are to chapter 63
As previous post... I quoted my copy of BS7671..
Obviously yours must be worded differently?
Cuz mine has no mention of your "to chapter 63" bit ?? ?:|
I can't comment further if your unquoted 610.4 is different to mine!
i have been wrong plenty of times and you live and learn but your never wrong or I've never seen you admit it
the holsters was a bit low m8 ouch
Relevance?... I can't help what you have or haven't seen?
I only continued your comment about sticking to your guns because you were claiming to be right and that my post was wrong...
which I happen to disagree with.. as I also disagree with your claim that 610.4 only refers to chapter 63 NOT "the regulations" as a whole!
But I am cool to agree to disagree.. and am happy for you to stick to your guns which is why I said you can keep them close.. (sticking to them) e.g. in the holsters! no more than tongue in cheek way of saying agree to disagree..
but he-ho! :|
you say 63 gives guidance for all which i agree however why is mw not specifically mentioned in 514.12.1 and neither in chapter 61 or 62 to which 514.12.1 is specifically saying its for
chapter 61 does not it applies to initial verification only
Durrrrr!!
Another train left the station with a passenger still at the platform me thinks?
Lets take this slowly:-
- Chapter 61 includes regulation 610.4
- 610.4 includes ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS to an existing installation.
- Any form of MWC will be always be some sort of addition or alteration.
- Thus Chapter 61 covers work which will ultimately be written onto an MWC?
- Carry on a bit further down the chapter e.g. 612.2 thro 612.14 covers all of the various bits of testing dead & live you will carry out on your alteration.. Some of which Apply to MWC because their test reading boxes are included on an MWC..
- So chapter 61 includes work that we would call MWC type work.
On some of your previous posts on here you appear to be incorrectly implying that:-
Chapter 61 is only relating to new work
Chapter 62 is PIR's
Chapter 63 is minor works / alterations
Whereas the context of Chapter 61 is All work' date=' new addition, alteration whatever.. MUST be initially verified, inspected and tested before being put into service. (e.g. handed over for the customer to use!)
Chapter 62 Is as you say relating to periodic inspection and test of existing installations.
Then Chapter 63 gives guidance of the relevant types of certificate to be used to record any applicable test results.
obviously the regulations apply across the board there is a label for dual supply but you don't fit a sticker if no dual supply is present because the sticker is in the regs you only apply it when the specific regulation requires you to.
Well the dual supply part is a totally daft and irrelevant comparison which I won't bother persuing...
But your last part confirms why you should always check a next inspection sticker is present...
EVERY installation no matter how large or small should be inspected and tested on a regular basis.. see guidance note 3 (or do G&G 2191).
and for that reason EVERY installation should have a warning sticker as per 514.12 located on or adjacent to the origin.
Or are you also saying that your regs book says some electrical installations do not deteriorate with age and therefore do not need inspection testing etc..?
there is still confusion for the public and indeed professionals still that when they see a next recommended sticker that it applies to the whole installation. whilst we know we should refer to the certs for the extent.
erm.... have you read the wording of the sticker?
THIS INSTALLATION SHOULD BE PERIODICALLY INSPECTED AND TESTED...
or do yours say..
THESE CIRCUITS AMENDED ON CERTIFICATES xyz1234 SHOULD BE INSPECTED AND TESTED......etc..
And so if as a professional competent person you are unclear as to the condition of the whole installtion... You don't go sticking next inspection 10years!! you can put months or weeks if you want.. Are you following? :|
these stickers would generally be applied when a modest amount of inspection has happened but in the case of MW a tiny fraction of inspection may have been carried out further worsening the actual amount of the installation that has been inspected.
are you following?
the potential for problems on a installation with a sticker that has had very limited inspection has actually increased the risk of danger over a moderately inspected installation because the user will be mislead that all has been checked
Well if someone is stoopid enough to put a 10 year next inspection date for the installation when they have only done a small amendment then they shouldn't be an electrician. a lot of that last paragraph is just plain daft..
Lets just recap here:-
There is either NO existing sticker.. or there IS a sticker..
(a)
As the opening question on post#1 was for when you are working at an installation that has NO sticker present?
Then whether you are doing minor works or major works to comply with regulation 514.12.1, good practice is you would make sure a sticker is attached and if there are no previous PIR or EIC available you would put just the correct answers in the boxes..
e.g.
Last inspected "UNKNOWN"
Next inspection "A.S.A.P."
(B)
If you are doing work on an installation that already has a next inspection sticker..
If your work is NOT a PIR then you leave the sticker with whatever dates were already applicable on it and just issue your EIC or MWC for the work you have done!
If the next inspection date has already elapsed then you advise the customer to get one done ASAP and give them a price for the job!
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Whether sticker or No sticker previous, if you are doing a PIR then you put a new sticker and date it as appropriate.
Remember... The Date of last inspection will refer to ether:-
the original EIC or the last PIR. NOT any in between MWC's or EIC' dates!
Simples!
blimey... that got long
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