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Steve Bryant
31 minutes ago, Sharpend said:

It will only generate money if it sells and selling one batch to the wholesalers is one thing but how long between repeat orders? This will be a product that will eventually find its way into the pound shops etc as bankrupt stock. I’m not trying to put down your efforts Steve but I think that if it was considered a viable business strategy then the existing producers would have it in their arsenal already? Perhaps the fact it isn’t is research enough to say it’s a non-starter? I just hope that the costs you have already spent isn’t your pension now gone? 
 

wish you all the best and if I do see them then I might just buy one out of respect for your efforts.  

Thanks for the positive note at the end which has seemed rare on this thread, it’s not going to put me under or effect me too much if not, we will see in due course 🤞, it’s been a learning curve getting something to market compared to what I’ve done for my whole career so plenty learnt if not. 

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UNG
2 hours ago, Steve Bryant said:

I fully agree it’s not going to be a big earner and will take time for people to realise it’s an option, if it grows slowly and gives me a few quid to pay for itself and then make a profit it’s worth doing in the long run 🤞, as I get older my knees are getting worse from doing the job, sometimes you need to try different things, if you don’t try you’ll never know, the price point is understandably an issue but design and manufacture has cost more than I had imagined, the price point will come down for sure, hopefully I’ll be able to find a balance that’s earns enough and makes it appealing for customers 🤞, I’ve gone this far and the money has been invested so can only generate money now however much it maybe. 

Having worked on building an injection moulding plant some years ago I know what the costs can be just for setting up the with moulds before you start to produce anything and back then you needed to have quite large regular production runs to hit the right unit price

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1 hour ago, Steve Bryant said:

Thanks for the positive note at the end which has seemed rare on this thread, it’s not going to put me under or effect me too much if not, we will see in due course 🤞, it’s been a learning curve getting something to market compared to what I’ve done for my whole career so plenty learnt if not. 

I say well done for doing it.  I would not have had a clue how to put something like that to manufacture.

 

I tend to agree with everyone else, it is a niche product.  Architrave boxes are by their nature a niche product anyway but I for one and glad there is another option available, even if I might actually never use it.

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dave151

I have signed up to the forum just to say thank you to @Steve Bryant for creating this.

I have been searching all over the place for this type of product and found a 3D printing template for one similar but this has saved all that hassle of finding someone to print it. Looking forward to installing these!

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SPECIAL LOCATION
1 hour ago, dave151 said:

I have signed up to the forum just to say thank you to @Steve Bryant for creating this.

I have been searching all over the place for this type of product and found a 3D printing template for one similar but this has saved all that hassle of finding someone to print it. Looking forward to installing these!

 

Well..

 

What a coincidence..   within a couple of days of @Steve Bryant replying to a thread that is over 3 years old..

where the majority of the responses suggest that the need for dry-line architrave back boxes is negligible..

A.N.Other @dave151 bowls up saying they are exactly what he needed.. :Chairfall

 

I will just pause to say I admire Steve's motivation to have a go and produce a new product.. :Salute :Applaud Guinness  well done..   I could NOT have done it!

 

BUT..  reality check says..

1/ This forum has been around for approx 13+ years..

2/ This forum has over 32,000 members who have registered/logged on at some point..  not all are electricians..  but a significant number are..

3/ Forum search suggest this question of dry-line architrave boxes has cropped up ONCE during this time..

4/ The third post from the original question (Posted by M107) shows an existing product than could do the job, if needed, in combination with a standard metal back-box..

e.g. TLC part No "AP 603" https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP603.html 51p + VAT, or 41p + VAT if you buy 10, (2 required per box)... 

 

 

So a solution exists at less than £1.25..  if or when the problem does very rarely arise!

 

The big question still is..

Do you not think that all of the other manufactures of metal, pattress or dry-line boxes have not considered if an architrave dry-line box should be added to their portfolio? 

 

And/Or..

 

If there really is a need..

the big brands could very quickly start the own production, undercutting any new-start-up company swamping potential market sales..

(Unless of course you have acquired some sort of legal patent preventing other competition?)  

 

If this is an investment like stocks & shares, that you can comfortably afford make a null return,

or a loss, without any major impact to your personal wellbeing  or lifestyle..   Then you have nothing to lose..

and if it does come up trumps your a winner..    If not you've lost nothing..

 

BUT..

If you are really hoping for a good return to ensure a comfortable retirement..

It is on helluva big gamble!

As you have a very expensive solution to a very rare problem.. 

 

Compared to say Wago's as an expensive solution to a very common problem..

but time savings & convenience make Wago's a no-brainer!!

 

I just cannot see where your proposed option is the cheapest, quickest and most convenient solution?

:C   

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Steve Bryant
8 hours ago, dave151 said:

I have signed up to the forum just to say thank you to @Steve Bryant for creating this.

I have been searching all over the place for this type of product and found a 3D printing template for one similar but this has saved all that hassle of finding someone to print it. Looking forward to installing these!

Hi Dave, no problem at all, nice to hear the positive feedback, I designed and proto typed the product using my 3 d printer which saved a considerable amount of money, I will pop a couple extra boxes in your order thanking you for the positive response, cheers Steve 

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Steve Bryant
7 hours ago, SPECIAL LOCATION said:

 

Well..

 

What a coincidence..   within a couple of days of @Steve Bryant replying to a thread that is over 3 years old..

where the majority of the responses suggest that the need for dry-line architrave back boxes is negligible..

A.N.Other @dave151 bowls up saying they are exactly what he needed.. :Chairfall

 

I will just pause to say I admire Steve's motivation to have a go and produce a new product.. :Salute :Applaud Guinness  well done..   I could NOT have done it!

 

BUT..  reality check says..

1/ This forum has been around for approx 13+ years..

2/ This forum has over 32,000 members who have registered/logged on at some point..  not all are electricians..  but a significant number are..

3/ Forum search suggest this question of dry-line architrave boxes has cropped up ONCE during this time..

4/ The third post from the original question (Posted by M107) shows an existing product than could do the job, if needed, in combination with a standard metal back-box..

e.g. TLC part No "AP 603" https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/AP603.html 51p + VAT, or 41p + VAT if you buy 10, (2 required per box)... 

 

 

So a solution exists at less than £1.25..  if or when the problem does very rarely arise!

 

The big question still is..

Do you not think that all of the other manufactures of metal, pattress or dry-line boxes have not considered if an architrave dry-line box should be added to their portfolio? 

 

And/Or..

 

If there really is a need..

the big brands could very quickly start the own production, undercutting any new-start-up company swamping potential market sales..

(Unless of course you have acquired some sort of legal patent preventing other competition?)  

 

If this is an investment like stocks & shares, that you can comfortably afford make a null return,

or a loss, without any major impact to your personal wellbeing  or lifestyle..   Then you have nothing to lose..

and if it does come up trumps your a winner..    If not you've lost nothing..

 

BUT..

If you are really hoping for a good return to ensure a comfortable retirement..

It is on helluva big gamble!

As you have a very expensive solution to a very rare problem.. 

 

Compared to say Wago's as an expensive solution to a very common problem..

but time savings & convenience make Wago's a no-brainer!!

 

I just cannot see where your proposed option is the cheapest, quickest and most convenient solution?

:C   


I actually don’t know Dave 151 as implied but he has placed an order for 3 boxes 😊.

( I’ll be able to eat tonight 😂)

 

I’m afraid that we will have to see on this one an they have other uses than just light switches. 
 

I have considered the fact why the the big boys have not made one and yes it’s because it’s not worth it for them, the reason I’ve done it is because they are obviously not going to so I have no competition, if they decided to they would obviously be able to undercut me. 
 

As for price point it is high through ebay at the moment but that’s my easiest instant route to market to get it recognised until it is in the wholesalers. 
 

postage @ £2.90

VAT 

EBAY fees

paypay

 

All these factors for a transaction all to be taken into account so no I’m certainly not getting rich from it, wholesale will be the route to market. 
 

The wholesalers will be selling them in the region of £2-2.50 + VAT depending on what mark up they decide. 

This price may come down if sales increase.

 

One thing I did discover during my research although some believe I didn’t do any is the flammability of leading manufacturers boxes. Quite eye opening how flammable they are and what smoke they produce once a flame is put to them hence why I’ve made mine V0, self extinguishing within 10 seconds, I don’t understand why others are not made from this unless it’s a case of penny pinching. 

I’ve said that I’m not expecting to get rich from this but any income once it’s paid for itself is better than none in my eyes and I’m providing a product for those that want to buy it, I’m happy and hopefully others will be also. 

 

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kerching

I've just had a thought.....you may have beaten me to,it though

 

how about targeting the-alarm/CCTV sector?.....they would be really handy for coiling some spare cable in behind the detector/camera

 

just a thought as I have just put some sensors in and had to shove the excess down inside the wall. So,doubtless it will be a pain to retrieve if needed

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Steve Bryant
1 hour ago, kerching said:

I've just had a thought.....you may have beaten me to,it though

 

how about targeting the-alarm/CCTV sector?.....they would be really handy for coiling some spare cable in behind the detector/camera

 

just a thought as I have just put some sensors in and had to shove the excess down inside the wall. So,doubtless it will be a pain to retrieve if needed

For sure, it’s certainly a neater / less obtrusive way of concealing unwanted cables with a blank plate, I used them to conceal mini 12v drivers in behind light fittings as well 

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UNG
On 24/02/2021 at 07:25, Steve Bryant said:

The wholesalers will be selling them in the region of £2-2.50 + VAT depending on what mark up they decide.

So the price point is now starting to look a bit more realistic and volume manufacturing would no doubt push it down further

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