LABC Part P help please

[Paultrim]

Hi all, quick background I am a professional consultant qualified to carry out EICR(C&G2391 etc 4 yr electrical engineering apprenticeship) HNC ONC electrical engineering, etc. If carry out installation work in my fathers house(alteration to existing kitchen power & lighting circuits and install of cooker supply) I understand that building control have to be informed but do I really need to pay them to inspect what I have done?? Even tho I issue EICRs ? I don't usually carry out installs or minor works or 'foreigners' and I am doing the work to help with my fathers busy work load on his refurb.

Your advice is much appreciated gents.

 

[Smilers]

I would contact the LABC and explain the situation. They may be happy with you certifying compliance if not get a registered sparky in to do the work it will likely be cheaper and faster than getting the LABC to do it.

Good luck

 

[Paultrim]

Thanks smilers.

Seems daft that I can carry out the install competently and could issue an EICR on the property as long as I don't tell LABC that it was myself who carried out the alterations.

I would bet my hourly rate the chap from LABC is less qualified than me.

 

[Evans Electric]

Is LBC attending the site , as in , passing off building works etc . ?

 

[Paultrim]

No as it's only the installation of kitchen units/carcasses and a new cooker. I am altering the location of various socket outlets and spurs and also adding some light fittings to work tops, ceiling and kick boards. I am also installing a supply to an electric cooker.

I doesn't require any structural survey of the property.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Download a free copy of Approved document P...

then read Page 11...

Section b. " where the installer is not registered with a Part P competent person self-certification scheme but qualified to complete BS7671 installation certificates"

Paragraphs 1.21, 1.22 & 1.23

that will explain the procedure you have to follow !..

Guinness

 

[Paultrim]

Excellent document, thanks Guiness.

 

[OnOff]

To the OP, I think by definition you will fall into the "middle" category as recognized by Part P; that of somebody competent to complete the necessary certificates but NOT a member of one of the approved schemes e.g. NICEIC, ELECSA, NAPIT etc. Thereafter each LABC may have different views on the subject - again the part P document notes this.

Take mine for instance, in a nut shell they said; "Yes we note you are qualified so no problems in you doing ALL the work and CERTIFYING it yourself....as it's notifiable we'll just send a chap round to take a look that everything's in order....BTW you will STILL NEED TO NOTIFY US BEFORE WORK STARTS AND PAY US THE

 

[ProDave]

Just HOW do local authorities justify charging

 

[apprentice87]

In your case, with your qualifications, [i presume that if you do EICR,s you have all the testing kit required] I would just do it......

illegal?? Yes, so what... The local authority are legally obliged to keep the roads in a safe state, take away your rubbish without complaining that the bin lid is 2 inches open, let you sell bananas by the pound, and NOT allowed to mark up road signs in meters.... Think any of this bothers them???

john...

 

[OnOff]

Just HOW do local authorities justify charging

 

[apprentice87]

It is debateable whether it is even lawful for them to charge at all....

Here is the legal basis for them charging;

As in the 1998 Regulations, the 2010 Regulations authorise LAs to charge for carrying out the five main building control functions relating to building regulations - i.e. checking plans, carrying out inspections of building work in connection with plans, and checking and inspecting work covered by building notices, reversion and regularisation applications. These are referred to as

 

[OnOff]

It is debateable whether it is even lawful for them to charge at all....Here is the legal basis for them charging;

As in the 1998 Regulations, the 2010 Regulations authorise LAs to charge for carrying out the five main building control functions relating to building regulations - i.e. checking plans, carrying out inspections of building work in connection with plans, and checking and inspecting work covered by building notices, reversion and regularisation applications. These are referred to as

 

[OnOff]

Found it! See my post #5 about my correspondence with my LABC here:

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/part-p-competent-person-self-certification-schemes-forum/21064-must-all-domestic-electricians-registered-part-p-competent-self-certify-schemes.html

Note, that post #5 SHOULD have made clear that I still have to pay the notification fee and go thru the process.

 

[Zoro]

The whole Part P fiasco, created by a bunch of Scammers in DCLG Buildings Division with the assistance of the Schemes, have been responsible for damaging Our Trade.

DCLG gave LABC responsibility for Part P of the building regulations, then stated that LABC could not charge, to bring someone in to inspect electrical work, as they did not have expertise.

Then NAPIT with a bit of help from the NICEIC, provided some basic training for LABC, probably thinking that a two day course is safe?.

Then DCLG allowed LABC to charge for 3rd party inspections,

 

[Evans Electric]

DCLG ??? :C Zoro ?

 

[Riggy]

Department of Communities and Local Government (I think!).

 

[OnOff]

Department for Communities and Local Government