Lurch 510 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 Where’s “non of your business” OTHER 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canoeboy 3,144 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 What is wrong with being a DI.? The limited scope of works we do does not require AC.I've seen plenty of poor workmanship from AC's.What's the difference? A bigger cheque? It doesn't matter what you are, DI, AC, MCS, Full Scope, Limited Scope, Plumber, Kitchen Fitter, Jack of All Trades..... So long as the cheque has cleared you will be a member of the scam you choose...... Its not a matter of competence, just a matter of the bigger the cheque the more your looked after...... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sprocketflup 489 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah, that NIC theyll let any old monkee in these days 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy™ 2,584 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 Its not a matter of competence, just a matter of the bigger the cheque the more your looked after...... i wouldnt even say that bit is true 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
binky 1,038 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 concurr with Andy, too much commercialism, not enough service, but that's the modern world we live in! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pewter 138 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 I am DI with NICEIC. i am only with them so i can do self certification. They keep trying to upsell me AC, which to those that know what it means might make my cards and invoices look slightly better due to the letters AC instead of DI. When i consider the extra cost and time for assessment and hassle of organising more jobs to visit and bothering my customers just so i can have AC instead of DI i really can not be bothered. If i had some real cream jobs that insisted i had AC and paid me exceptionally well i would do it. As it will not make me any more money i will stick with DI. If i did not need to notify i wouldnt bother with any of them. I am not aware of any benifits being AC will give me. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy™ 2,584 Report post Posted October 19, 2015 might make my cards and invoices look slightly better due to the letters AC instead of DI. i dont have and wouldnt put any scam info on any of my paperwork etc. some business cards have 'part p registered', but thats it 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
binky 1,038 Report post Posted October 20, 2015 AC can open doors to commercial customers, like council, and its no more hassle thean DI assessment every year. Also comes with bragging rights of a sort..... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted October 20, 2015 i dont have and wouldnt put any scam info on any of my paperwork etc. some business cards have 'part p registered', but thats itI have an e-mail footer with the various schemes we are members of. Nothing on anything else. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evans Electric 3,221 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 The biggest scam on the trade in recent times is at the introduction of " Competent Persons " " Part Pee" schemes ...NICEIC decided to ignore the fact that all their existing AC members had already been checked , registered as competent , often for many years , and launched a second DI scheme . Now I'm not sure on this but did all the existing members who were already competent in house bashing have to join the second DI scheme & pay twice ? And if so .......why did they stand for it ? I could say it was similar for people like myself who, for many years, had been graded as a JIB Approved Electrician but was suddenly deemed incompetent for house bashing unless I joined one of the new schemes . There you are running projects on hospitals , schools , MOD , Police , local councils , industrial etc etc but , on the introduction of Phart Pee are deemed to be incompetent for house bashing . What a load of old ballcocks it all is . As for what scheme I'm in its a "Mind your own business" from me . 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony S 543 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 A year after I came out of my time I was appointed a “competent person”. IE able to carry out work/switching on our distribution system.The industry I was in it was a statutory requirement. Each switch had either a blue “competent person” label or a red “authorised person” label. Basically you had to understand the consequences of your actions. I resent the scams using the term “competent person” for the semi-skilled (I can’t bring myself to use the word electrician). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steptoe 2,137 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Isn't that why they don't call them competent?Merely installers,,,,,, 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProDave 2,113 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 In my previous employment, I used to be a "Senior Approved Person Electrical" (SAPE) I never really did figure if that was some statutory thing or just something unique to the industry I was in. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 The word competent is all relative. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony S 543 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 What industry was that? CPAPSAP Are usually private distribution networks. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kerching 2,405 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 The biggest scam on the trade in recent times is at the introduction of " Competent Persons " " Part Pee" schemes ...NICEIC decided to ignore the fact that all their existing AC members had already been checked , registered as competent , often for many years , and launched a second DI scheme . Now I'm not sure on this but did all the existing members who were already competent in house bashing have to join the second DI scheme & pay twice ? And if so .......why did they stand for it ? I could say it was similar for people like myself who, for many years, had been graded as a JIB Approved Electrician but was suddenly deemed incompetent for house bashing unless I joined one of the new schemes . There you are running projects on hospitals , schools , MOD , Police , local councils , industrial etc etc but , on the introduction of Phart Pee are deemed to be incompetent for house bashing . What a load of old ballcocks it all is . As for what scheme I'm in its a "Mind your own business" from me .As an NICEIC AC i woke up,one morning to be told i was still competent and would become a DI at no extra charge if i wanted!Whoop de fecking whoo!I politely informed the tw@s that if after a nights sleep,I was suddenly not capable of house bashing then they could shove their scheme up,their Barrymore and i would start litigation against them for taking money under false pretences from us since 1956!I did not "join a scam" more like I had a scam "thrust upon me" at no cost , so i just went with it for the rare occasion when i need it Just saying 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 What does the DI scheme do that the AC does not? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NozSpark 1,043 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Ahh,,, but as an AC you don't have to have the DI if you don't want/need it!! Edited November 8, 2015 by NozSpark 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 But if the AC covers everything why would you even want the DI. I have both and tbh I do not know why. We would never say we were DI however. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NozSpark 1,043 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Because if you choose to be an AC without the DI (add-on) you are not deemed competent to carry out work that comes under Part P 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steptoe 2,137 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Because if you choose to be an AC without the DI (add-on) you are not deemed competent to carry out work that comes under Part P Are you serious? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Because if you choose to be an AC without the DI (add-on) you are not deemed competent to carry out work that comes under Part PGo away. Seriously? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Duck 693 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) You're not deemed competent (or whatever they call it now) until you have signed the cheque! Edited November 8, 2015 by Blue Duck 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NozSpark 1,043 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Yes, you have to be a registered Domestic Installer to carry out Part P domestic installations For instance you could be an AC specialising in railway installations and never touch domestic ,,,, so would that mean that you are aware of all the relevant building regs that go with domestic work?? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essex1 293 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 I just looked at their site and it says an AC is covered to carry out domestic works under that badge. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites