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ProDave

As the title says, how long before we are shut down?

 

Lots of talk of closing all "non essential" businesses.  I guess that's wholesalers and even on line suppliers shut?

 

Is an electrician "essential"?   I would say yes to repair a breakdown, but no if the job is just fit some fancy lights.

 

Tomorrow or Wednesday when the emergency bill is passed we are likely to find out if we still have any employment or not.

 

First minister in Scotland has already ordered "building sites" to close.

 

Personally I have a handful of small jobs I want to complete tomorrow in advance of the new law.

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Evans Electric

Good point Dave  , we shall  know more tomorrow .     It could well be further reduced  ,  many bigger High St shops  closed ,  Costa etc  ,  church services , sport .  

 

In Italy I just heard building sites are shut down .

Just now, ProDave said:

Is an electrician "essential"?   I would say yes to repair a breakdown, but no if the job is just fit some fancy lights.

Power loss and repairs I'd think should continue ,  dangerous condition stuff perhaps. 

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ProDave

I have a tv aerial to fit for an old lady just moved into a new house.  Is that essential?  I would say yes or she will go stir crazy self isolating with no television.  CPC have just emailed me to say it's been despatched.

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Evans Electric

I'd agree with that .

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Sharpend

Do you think they have learned from brexit, not to dither on decision making? 

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kerching

We, as self employed, are basically on a zero hours contract who are not needed UNTIL 💩 happens

 

talking about this with my plumber last week

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Murdoch

I'm about to cancel 2 jobs later this week ..... Too ensure I keep myself and the family, including a key worker safe. 

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kerching

Wife is talking about choosing the paint colour for the back  bedroom ...it's getting serious now

she is a teacher...school is staying open over Easter for Key workers. So she has volunteered to work: doesn't like painting and cannot see why I should just be sat around self isolating with a box of Kleenex

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Andy™

ill be working whatever jobs i can get into. a fair bit i work pretty much on my own and away from others anyway, although cutting back on non essential domestic jobs or other jobs where there too many people about, but i do plenty last minute stuff of its broke go fix it now, so thatll continue. joys of working in places that will continue to stay open

 

other than that, got loads of stuff to do at home. started doing some ground work for new gates over a month ago but never finished it... all the steel & wood for the gates is sitting there untouched for best part of 2 month... looks like they will be getting built and fitted in the next few weeks.

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binky

work is likely to be thin on the ground, but I will do whatever truns up. 

 

Like Andy I willbe doing jobs around the house - fence got painted yesterday.

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Murdoch

Well - the local pay and play has issued guidelines and as long as they are open and I have time, I'll be off to the course - my mates and I frequently good off in odd directions so keeping 2 m apart shouldn't be an issue😀

 

There is also the list of DIY the misses keeps adding to...........

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Sharpend

Sadly all my diy work consists of building a large out house unfortunately I believe after tonight the merchants might be closed :C still opportunity for a bit of fishing (there’s always at least 5m between fishermen.) 

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Andy™

probably... at a travis perkins earlier today, they reckon they will be closed by wednesday

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ProDave

So our glorious leader has STILL not defined what is essential.

 

"Only go to work if it is essential and cannot be done from home."

 

So is fixing an electrical breakdown essential?  I fully understand changing a light fitting just because they want a fancy one is not.

 

do I really have to hope, and leave it to the judgement of the policeman that might stop me and ask me where I am going whether my journey is essential or not?

 

Who is going to be the first to phone DSS and say I am self employed and I have been told not to go to work, what benefits are you going to pay me and when?

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Sharpend

I’m interpreting ‘essential’ at this stage as being anyone that has to go to work which can’t be done in the confines of your own home, thus putting the onus of safety on the individual, it also saves him spending more than necessary at this point, I suspect that in the coming weeks it will be essential that we all stay at home. 

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Andy™

to make it an offence a law has to be passed. the definition of essential should be in there, otherwise they will have a hard job trying to enforce it. ive looked but unlike the one for shutting pubs etc, i cant find anything yet

 

but as proven by all the people flocking to be together yesterday, people are stupid and need removed from the gene pool. shame the virus lacks that facility

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Badger
Just now, Andy™ said:

to make it an offence a law has to be passed. the definition of essential should be in there, otherwise they will have a hard job trying to enforce it. ive looked but unlike the one for shutting pubs etc, i cant find anything yet

 

but as proven by all the people flocking to be together yesterday, people are stupid and need removed from the gene pool. shame the virus lacks that facility

Yes a certain cretin who lives in the capital comes to mind! 

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Murdoch

This unprecedented situation is a nightmare for all of the political elite .... no time for wish washy maybes ...... decisions have to be made ... then later, with hindsight others will start scoring political points

 

its clear from the weekend photos lots of people aren’t taking this seriously so more had to be said .....

 

so my planned golf has gone down the same drain as most of my work.

 

tomorrow morning is 1/2 day in an empty flat ..... so I think this is ok 

 

after that ..... who knows 

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Hefferl

All far too vague (deliberately probably), no definition of 'essential' and no indication of essential to who. 

At this point, whereby the self employed are offered no real support, I have decided it essential for me to continue to work in order to put food on the table.

Whilst doing this I will maintain a 2 Metre distance between me and others.

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Sharpend

And who might that be? I certainly wouldn’t want to be Boris’s position, he becomes PM and has to deal with the whole Brexit fiasco because one walked away and the other sunk, then soon after getting that moving he is landed with the worst pandemic in decades to deal with, what did you do at work today? 

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Sharpend
Just now, Hefferl said:

All far too vague (deliberately probably), no definition of 'essential' and no indication of essential to who. 

At this point, whereby the self employed are offered no real support, I have decided it essential for me to continue to work in order to put food on the table.

Whilst doing this I will maintain a 2 Metre distance between me and others.


And provided you maintain that then you are abiding by the PM/Medics requests. So where’s the issue? Sadly if Boris was to say “ to the idiots that feel they are above the requests of the government and you know who you are, you will be arrested” will probably cause mass rioting as this is the idiocy of these persons, can’t have or do what I want then I’ll throw my toys out! 
personally I’d say don’t do it and we’ll put you in hospital but guess that’s not in the interests of the NHS right now. 

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Andy™
5 minutes ago, Badger said:

Yes a certain cretin who lives in the capital comes to mind! 

 

to be fair to boris, what else can he do? people were advised to avoid each other as much a possible to try and stop it spreading. that got ignored by many. what else is he supposed to do?

 

on the plus side, being an introvert comes in handy... not really been much change for me....

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Murdoch
Just now, Hefferl said:

All far too vague (deliberately probably), no definition of 'essential' and no indication of essential to who. 

At this point, whereby the self employed are offered no real support, I have decided it essential for me to continue to work in order to put food on the table.

Whilst doing this I will maintain a 2 Metre distance between me and others.

 

If you are on a site with more that 2 people from more than 2 residences then I would suggest you shouldn’t be doing the work ...

9 minutes ago, Badger said:

Yes a certain cretin who lives in the capital comes to mind! 

 

Yes, quite agree. Jeremy hasn’t offered much of an opinion or support to the government

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ProDave

This is the official guidance https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

 

"Closing non-essential shops and community spaces"  Does NOT say closing all industry altogether.

 

You can leave home to "Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."  It does not say it has to be essential

 

I shall print that document and carry it with me.  Being an "electrician" has not yet been banned, and most of my work cannot be done from home.

 

I shall carry on with common sense.  I will go to fix the broken heating system, I will not just go and change a light fitting, that can wait.

 

IF anyone gets challenged by the police, please let us know what they say and the outcome.

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Sharpend
Just now, Andy™ said:

 

on the plus side, being an introvert comes in handy... not really been much change for me....


that must make me one too! Can’t say anything has changed for me just yet, other than additional PPE for wife’s sake. 

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