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Just now, SPECIAL LOCATION said:

 

That is not what the link that ProDave posted states:

extracts:-

 

1. STAYING AT HOME

You should only leave the house for one of four reasons.

● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible. 

● One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

● Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person. 

● Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household. 

 

 

3. STOPPING PUBLIC GATHERINGS 

To make sure people are staying at home and apart from each other, the Government is alsostopping all public gatherings of more than two people.

There are only two exceptions to this rule:

● where the gathering is of a group of people who live together - this means that a parent can, for example, take their children to the shops if there is no option to leave them at home.

● where the gathering is essential for work purposes - but workers should be trying to minimise all meetings and other gatherings in the workplace. 

 

 

 

I agree with but so many people don’t. ...... too many selfish people around, and the IET must have helped write the government advice ..... as it’s as woolly as their own documents 

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ProDave

I think all we can do is apply common sense and expect to get challenged.

 

As long as you can justify why you are travelling e.g my job today to fix someones non working heating, then I suspect you will be okay.

 

There is a rumour on another site, and it is just a rumour, that the self employed are going to be eligible for 80% of the average of their last 3 years declared earnings.  If I find a source that states that as a fact I will post it, otherwise treat it as a rumour only.

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Andy™
Just now, ProDave said:

There is a rumour on another site, and it is just a rumour, that the self employed are going to be eligible for 80% of the average of their last 3 years declared earnings.  If I find a source that states that as a fact I will post it, otherwise treat it as a rumour only.

 

ive seen something about that and it appears to be true, but not seen anything official just yet

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1 hour ago, ProDave said:

 

There is a rumour on another site, and it is just a rumour, that the self employed are going to be eligible for 80% of the average of their last 3 years declared earnings.  If I find a source that states that as a fact I will post it, otherwise treat it as a rumour only.

 

Is that just self-employed that the averaging works for? Be interesting to know about how it works for those on the books, I understood it as 80% of basic wage, but for those of us who are contracted for 42.5 but do more like 55 it will be quite a significant difference

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Murdoch
34 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

 

If you read this it does give huge hope for the self employed. 

 

Take a read

 

fingers crossed it'll pass

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ProDave

If that comes true I will be happy to stay at home for 80% of my average earnings over the last 3 years.

 

There still needs to be some guidance of what we should so if someone phones and says all their electric is off.  "sorry I am not allowed out" does not sound like the right response.

 

What about landlords?  If my tenants can't afford it, will I also get 80% of that?

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SPECIAL LOCATION
2 hours ago, ProDave said:

I think all we can do is apply common sense and expect to get challenged.

As long as you can justify why you are travelling e.g my job today to fix someones non working heating, then I suspect you will be okay.

 

 

As well as the possibility of being challenged why you are out,

There is also your duty under Health & Safety Law not to endanger anyone else or yourself whilst undertaking your work.

 

So I've knocked up a quick A4 risk assessment form with a copy of the Government coronavirus travel/work guidance..

 

Plus the date and address of the proposed work..

 

Then statements confirming no known knowledge of contact with persons with any virus symptoms..

 

And that we are in agreement that the work can safely be undertaken adopting a minimum 2m social-distancing..

 

And if either party exhibits any sign of symptoms up to two weeks following the work visit, they will let the other know immediately.

 

Then a declaration signature bit including contact telephone numbers..

 

Print two copies one for me one for customer..

 

Don't enter the property without a signed copy.

Keep on file in case of later repercussions from either side.

 

Customer was quite happy with that arrangement at first job this morning...

off shortly to this afternoons appointment.

 

(as a footnote, these are old customers, appointments previously booked, not new-unknown quantities..

and both jobs are fault rectification, not additions or alterations.  I'd probably say no, or wait if it was a brand new customer).

 

 

Guinness

   

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Murdoch
52 minutes ago, ProDave said:

There still needs to be some guidance of what we should so if someone phones and says all their electric is off.  "sorry I am not allowed out" does not sound like the right response.

 

Its a judgement call IMHO ..... if its all off then a site visit surely is necessary.

 

I've "resolved" an RCD trip issue this morning using wattsapp!

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Evans Electric

Denmans  ask you to phone in and your order will be placed outside the door for you to pick up  .     The small trade counter area at my branch is sometimes heaving .  

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Murdoch

I’ve been contacted by a number of the local wholesalers - they are all saying they can deliver .... I told each of them that I will only go out to an emergency ..... so not to expect much from me

 

 

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Apache

You all need to read the details of any income protection scheme from the government very carefully. There is no scope with employees to do some work, you either send them home to do nothing, or pay them reduced hours (with no top up from the government).

 

Hypothetically if I had 10 members of staff and only work for 5 I have to pick 5 and put them in the scheme and have 5 work full time. If I put all 10 on half their hours, they just get half their earnings from me.

 

I can see a situation where if you went onto the scheme you would be unable to do ANY work and not be able to respond to emergencies.

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binky

I'm looking forward for getting paid to do nothing if I can wrangle that somehow? Like any gov scheme it will be black and white, especally as it's been thrown together in a hurry, perhaps you need to re-discover cash?? :innocent

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ProDave

If this scheme does come in and pays me 80% of my earnings I will be very happy not to work.

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Murdoch

If the 5 million and their families / dependents are hung out to dry, there will not only financial issues , but riots on the street and a huge number of votes and seats lost.

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Hefferl

Ironic that parliament is on the verge of closing whilst no protection, either financial or against the virus, is being afforded to the many self employed involved in construction - in fact Matt Hancock is encouraging it ....

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brummydave
On 23/03/2020 at 22:09, Murdoch said:

I suppose it’s too much to hope that the CPS’s will offer their guidance 

 

 Not really, NAPIT have been in touch a lot (like a lot of companies!).

 

Latest online advice is from 19th March https://www.napit.org.uk/news/article/COVID-19-Communication-Update .aspx

 

But yesterday's email reflected the announcement on Monday. I've copied it below.:

 

 

In the lead up to the Government announcement on Monday 23rd March 2020 where Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced "people should only leave their homes to go to work where it is absolutely necessary", we have been and will continue to be in industry wide discussions to ensure practical, useful and accessible support for our members during these challenging times ahead.

Message from Mike Andrews, NAPIT Group Chief Executive Officer

 

We recognise that the increased restrictions on movement are going to have a significant impact on your ability to operate. We also realise that the detailed impact will vary from one member to another.

 

We have been evaluating options on how to maintain a level of operation that you need, while providing the kind of flexibility that is needed at this time.

 

We will contact you either at the time your assessment visit would normally be arranged, or at the point in time when you would normally renew. We will need to know whether you are able to operate and what action you want to take towards certification / registration.

 

The approach may vary, but we expect we will be able to consider:

postponement of assessment, remote assessment, spreading payments over longer periods, registration holiday if you are unable to pay .

 

The exact impact of this on membership status and our future approach depends very much on the duration of the current Government advice, and approval of approaches by our regulators.

 

Wherever possible we aim to retain your status on Government and scheme registration lists and, even where this proves impossible your membership of NAPIT will remain active. We plan to maintain support services to you, although these may be more restricted than normal. 

 

NAPIT membership support

We will be continuing to support our members in the weeks ahead in the following ways, as well as keeping you up-to-date with any further news relating to COVID-19.

Accessible technical support - our technical helpline team are all set up to work from home and will be ready to welcome any calls of a technical nature as normal

Technical webinars - we will be releasing a new webinar schedule and increased frequency of CPD technical webinars for our members in the absence of our events

Online technical articles and resources - we will be increasing the amount of technical content accessible to you over the coming weeks

NAPIT Forum - utilise the NAPIT Forum to communicate to fellow members or query the NAPIT Team.

Customer service - The NAPIT team will be on-hand to talk to over the phone should you have any questions or queries in regards to your membership

Notification system - will be available to you when you need it.

 

Advice for members carrying out "essential" work

 

Today on BBC Breakfast Michael Gove, Minister for the Cabinet Office, addresses essential working for the construction industry:

 

"At present, installers have been instructed that they must now only attend emergency appointments which allow people to stay safe in their homes, however if you have a none essential job booked in, this should not be undertaken. Construction sites will stay open but social distancing should be adhered to at all times".

 

 

During the next three weeks, only “Essential” work should be undertaken. Therefore, unless you are required to:

Attend or are requested to respond to an emergency call out;

or make safe a current project in which you are involved

 

You must take precautions to protect yourselves, your clients and the public with whom you may come in contact before attending and when attending and consider;

 

That the nature of the work is "essential"

Government advice on how to protect yourself and others,and implementing social distancing before leaving the home to carry out essential works. Read more here

HSE advice on suitable Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).

Guides to access government financial support

 

This afternoon the Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said he is looking into financial measures to help the self-employed in "intense detail", but would not commit to a date when more help would be made available. In the meantime see below:

 

Loans

On 17th March, the Chancellor announced an unprecedented package of Government-backed and guaranteed loans to support businesses.

 

Tax Helpline

New HMRC helpline launched to help businesses concerned about paying their tax due to Coronavirus.

General Government health advice for employers and businesses on Coronavirus

 

As the situation is changing on a daily basis, employers are advised to also check the latest Government, HSE and NHS guidance on dealing with and preventing the spread of Coronavirus.

 

The Government have released guidance for employers and businesses in regards to COVID-19. This is continually updated with updates.

 

To help you consider the commercial risks and to what extent the current UK and global COVID-19 situation will impact on your ability to operate, the government offer advice on business continuity plans.

 

 

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brummydave
14 hours ago, Evans Electric said:

Denmans  ask you to phone in and your order will be placed outside the door for you to pick up  .     The small trade counter area at my branch is sometimes heaving .  

 

I asked the manager why they were still open and apparently it's because Rexel is a 'key supplier' to businesses like the NHS and MoD so therefore Denmans is a 'key supplies provider' and the staff are 'key workers'.

 

'Essential' work will not be needing so many supplies now tho eh!

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Evans Electric

You use Perry Barr branch  then  BrummyDave ?

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Andy™

elecsa are after as much money as possible... membership expired, i told them i wasnt renewing but they still continue witht their begging letters... and from todays email

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·         Voluntary suspension is an option if you are experiencing a lull in work availability (£60.00 charge)

 

 

 

 

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brummydave
2 hours ago, Evans Electric said:

You use Perry Barr branch  then  BrummyDave ?

 

Normally I use Erdington :)

 

 

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UNG
7 hours ago, Murdoch said:

If the 5 million and their families / dependents are hung out to dry, there will not only financial issues , but riots on the street and a huge number of votes and seats lost.

 

And who are they going to lose there votes and seats to as the rest of them are no different they are all out to help the never worked not the guy who pays tax to make sure the never worked are looked after

 

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Murdoch

"elecsa are after as much money as possible... membership expired, i told them i wasnt renewing but they still continue witht their begging letters... and from todays email

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·         Voluntary suspension is an option if you are experiencing a lull in work availability (£60.00 charge)"

 

 

They are extracting the urine. 

 

So you've got little or no work, and to suspend your membership they think that a charge of £60 is a reasonable idea 

 

I think NOT

 

 

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