Yep I can supply one £3,500 plus VAT if you need it, but that is only with 10m of cable & I'm not sure if it will be powerful enough for your needs, I'll need a bit more info to decide, sorry.
Submersible Pumps Are Flawed
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From reading the HSE website I can see that its not compulsory. And no its not a prerequisite for being allowed on site.
Seems a bit of a joke tbh as a 240 volt appliance might pass the test and some mug might think it acceptable to use on a building site where it later electrocutes a worker.
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Does it say in the manufacturers instructions " remove pump whilst still energised AND by hauling up with the attached cable" ?
As I believe equipment has to be used in accordance with manufacturers instructions....I may well be wrong, see wife for details.
Just saying, as having not seen the instructions supplied.
As I believe equipment has to be used in accordance with manufacturers instructions....I may well be wrong, see wife for details.
Just saying, as having not seen the instructions supplied.
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Swelper, I think that you are taking this too the extreme,as if we were to take your logic through we wouldn't use any power tool on site,for electricity is potentially dangerous at all times. As it has been pointed out by very electrically experienced persons it is how you use and care for your equipment along with following industry guidance that ensures that you remain safe as can be. I'm sure that you use a gas nailer? Is this not a far more lethal tool than a correctly operated 240v tool? Are you suggesting that we all go back to hand tools without any sort of portable power?
You have been given advice as too your options and seem clearly intent on trying to persuade us (who work with electricity daily) that you're argument is not flawed? I see no more that we can offer,you have had everything that you have asked for including a110v pump??
By the way,your 240v appliances within your home are just as likely to electrocute you or do you have alternative voltage at home?
You have been given advice as too your options and seem clearly intent on trying to persuade us (who work with electricity daily) that you're argument is not flawed? I see no more that we can offer,you have had everything that you have asked for including a110v pump??
By the way,your 240v appliances within your home are just as likely to electrocute you or do you have alternative voltage at home?
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A few bits of extra reading for anyone who is asking about SAFE ELECTRICAL WORK..
and they have NEVER HEARD OF Portable Appliance.Testing....
General HSE guidance about electricity....
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq.htm#working-with-electricity
General HSE guidance about PAT testing....
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq-portable-appliance-testing.htm
HSE Q&A.. what to do if YOU think someone is working unsafely..
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq.htm
As a side thought...
Festool plug-it connectors.. Or any one plug-in connector..
how many are actually suitably IP rated for submerging under water????
http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Festool-Plug-It-Cable-System-Accessories__c-p-0-0-12732739.aspx
Possibly a plug in lead on an submerged it is a flawed concept????
and they have NEVER HEARD OF Portable Appliance.Testing....
General HSE guidance about electricity....
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq.htm#working-with-electricity
General HSE guidance about PAT testing....
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq-portable-appliance-testing.htm
HSE Q&A.. what to do if YOU think someone is working unsafely..
http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq.htm
As a side thought...
Festool plug-it connectors.. Or any one plug-in connector..
how many are actually suitably IP rated for submerging under water????
http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Festool-Plug-It-Cable-System-Accessories__c-p-0-0-12732739.aspx
Possibly a plug in lead on an submerged it is a flawed concept????
now,
thats just being stoopid,
everyone knows that in order to submerge a plug&socket you need to tie a tescos bag around it and put some parcel tape on it.
fricking muppets thinking they are sparks, :shakehead
depends on the site. worked on many where 230v is allowed
only had the odd site where they insist on 110v only, yet the odd one didnt have a problem with a 400v lead, because 'it wasnt 230'
I'm not talking little sites here, like a few houses, I'm talking Large Construction sites with over 50-100 sparks on site, New office blocks, New Factories, Airport terminals, Hotels etc etc, you will not be allowed to use 230V Hand Tools on these type of sites, unless your the tea lady in the canteen, or work in the site offices.
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You joke about it,now,
thats just being stoopid,
everyone knows that in order to submerge a plug&socket you need to tie a tescos bag around it and put some parcel tape on it.
fricking muppets thinking they are sparks, :shakehead
but I was called to a farm house with no power.
I soon traced it to one ring final tripping the one up front RCD
Upon checking that ring final, it fed an annex. plugged in were two commando plugs feeding out to two caravans with workmen staying in them. They were a long way off so each had three normal caravan hookup leads in series.
One of these, one of the in line joints was literally sitting in a puddle, completely submerged.
When I pointed out this problem, the answer was "aren't they supposed to be waterproof?"
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You seem to be saying the Festool plug-it system is flawed and don't recognise its supreme ingenuity. Thats a shame.
As I've said before if a festool plug-it cable fails you just change cables. Takes about 5 seconds. Does the operative have to be qualified for that? Nope.
When the cable into the pump fails the pump can be destroyed or in the case of a 240 volt machine an operative standing knee deep in a water hole can be electrocuted.
Also its not a five second job doing the repair. The pump has to be sent away to a specialist repairer who is qualified to break the seal and make it again compentently. Meanwhile the hole is flooding!
Like I said before. The Germans! Very clever people.
I'll bet any money they make a site 110v sunmersible pump like that.
Anyone who countenances this argument is a fool. A lot of misinformation being pedalled on this forum.
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What missinformation has been posted?
A lot of GOOD and factual information has been posted by many, but you keep on throwing it back at us.
Why don't you just go and buy yourself one of these German pumps? then the problem is solved and the thread can be closed.
There's loads of misinformation. Even from you.
If I can source one I'll buy it thats for certain.
The original question in the OP has not been answered. That leaves me thinking I'm on the wrong forum.
I'll design and build my own and liase with a manufacturer to get it passed.
If I can source one I'll buy it thats for certain.
The original question in the OP has not been answered. That leaves me thinking I'm on the wrong forum.
I'll design and build my own and liase with a manufacturer to get it passed.
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ParkySparky
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You talk utter tripe!!! Go butcher some wood!!!!
Andy Guinness
Swelper, they do make such a pump, in fact I have 2 in my garage,
you really dont get it, do you. just becuse some sites insist on 110v only does not mean 230v is illegal to use on sites
with that one, with the amount of Regulations you need to get passed, you will be withdrawing your pension in quicker time.
Andy Guinness
I'd be drawing my pension a lot sooner if I was depending on the help from this forum.
What I might do in the mean time is supervise a cable dragger and have the pumps cable fitted inside a sealed sub enclosure with a socket fitted. Maybe have a resin pour done. Then the plug fits to that. Simples.
So at the end of each day the cable can be unplugged and stored neatly away in a safe location.
You would think with the amount of brain power on here someone could have thought of that. But nope.
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Legal or illegal is irellevant. Any operative using 240v on site should be shown the gate immiedietly.
Its jail when an accident happens for those responsible.
Do you think the judge will say "OOh 240 volt is legal" therefore no jail sentence? How quaint.
More misinformation. I don't butcher wood.
I make the cuts with supreme precision with high quality tools.
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A word of advice Swelper - when in a hole, stop digging.
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By the way, if you start messing around with the construction of these units, be prepared to be kicked off of site, their design parameters are not to be messed about with by the likes of you.
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